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A sociotechnical threat model for AI-driven smart home devices

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Re: A sociotechnical threat model for AI-driven smart home devices

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Should domestic workers not be surveilled while doing their job? I get the threat of pervasive AI but this hardly seems like it.

That depends entirely on whether you want to culture a humane trust society or a transactional surveillance society.

I’m not sure an absence of surveillance is what creates “humane trust”. I’m certain we had locks on doors and security guards before the internet.

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Should domestic workers not be surveilled while doing their job? I get the threat of pervasive AI but this hardly seems like it.

Forget domestic workers, shouldn't you be surveilled whenever you're alone and unattended? When the panopticon is flipped inwards, everyone scrapes together an excuse for why their solitude is more important than others.

Exactly. Won’t someone think of the children?

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That depends entirely on whether you want to culture a humane trust society or a transactional surveillance society.

I think everyone wants a high trust society but you can't just remove all guardrails and expect that to be the result. The causality goes the other way.

I would absolutely support the surveillance of CEOs and board members. They have demonstrated themselves, as a class, to not be trustworthy. I think as a society, we should be reviewing Alex Karp's decision making for instance.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends entirely on whether you want to culture a humane trust society or a transactional surveillance society.

I’m not sure an absence of surveillance is what creates “humane trust”. I’m certain we had locks on doors and security guards before the internet.

Surveillance is decidedly and completely unlike locks.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That depends entirely on whether you want to culture a humane trust society or a transactional surveillance society.

I’m not sure an absence of surveillance is what creates “humane trust”. I’m certain we had locks on doors and security guards before the internet.

So you can also destroy trust other ways. What’s your point?

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure an absence of surveillance is what creates “humane trust”. I’m certain we had locks on doors and security guards before the internet.

Surveillance is decidedly and completely unlike locks.

Surveillance and locks are both imperfect solutions to the trust problem.

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That depends entirely on whether you want to culture a humane trust society or a transactional surveillance society.

I’m not sure an absence of surveillance is what creates “humane trust”. I’m certain we had locks on doors and security guards before the internet.

Yeah the trust was gone pre-internet, pre-networked-cameras. People would've thrown doorbell cams on their front door at the same time as the deadbolt if they'd had the option.

Many of the high-trust smaller societies before those locks were actually pretty low privacy.

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I think this is getting upvoted because the headline is about surveillance with a LOTR reference. The subject is about surveillance cameras that people put in their own homes. I see all of these comments about “the panopticon” or surveilling board members and CEOs from people who have apparently not realized this is about people’s private homes.

The authors use prose and structure to look like a scientific study, but they only interviewed some domestic workers and didn’t consider anything else, like the homeowners.

I’m sorry, but if I invite a contractor into my house I’ve been putting temporary cameras up. It’s helpful to see when they come and go and it’s invaluable if anything goes wrong and contractors start pointing fingers at each other. Would be great if we lived in a world where everyone was trustworthy without a second thought, but we don’t. If you don’t want to put cameras up in your own home then I support you 100%. If a contractor doesn’t want to work in my home with cameras then I completely support their decision too.

Re: A sociotechnical threat model for AI-driven smart home devices

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think everyone wants a high trust society but you can't just remove all guardrails and expect that to be the result. The causality goes the other way.

I would absolutely support the surveillance of CEOs and board members. They have demonstrated themselves, as a class, to not be trustworthy. I think as a society, we should be reviewing Alex Karp's decision making for instance.

There are hundreds of millions of CEOs, and board members. Every single company in the West has a CEO and a board.

I've heard of some bad behaviour. I haven't heard of millions of cases of bad behaviour. Do you have numbers to back up your assertions?

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I think you're replying to sarcasm.

I think you’re mistaking a shallow AI take for sarcasm.

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