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EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

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Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

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Post by izacus »

joe_mamba wrote: post #65
surgical_fire wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are not unelected. The EU Council is made up of the head of government of each member state. They are all elected. The commissioners are picked by the heads of state (elected) and the EU parliament (also elected). This does not absolve them from wrongdoing, but you should understand where your complaints should be directed at.

>They are not unelected. After how many layers does the democratic part get watered down and is just members of the elite picking other elites? Role | Chosen by | Direct citizen vote? -----------------------------+------------------------------------------------------+---------------------------- Commission President | European Council proposes, European Parliament elects| No (indirect via EP) European Council Presid…

By this standard there are no democracies in the world. Stop being ridiculous and repeating dumb russian propaganda.

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Post by [deleted] »

junto wrote: post #39
m132 wrote: post #27

The central bank, council, and commission have to get thoroughly investigated. The amount of questionable decisions coming from those three in the recent (15) years is extremely unsettling. The parliament and courts are practically the only institutions preventing things from hitting the fan at this point, and struggling to do so, it seems.

I’m convinced of widespread corruption here. We need to follow the money. Who is funding and pushing this agenda to blanket spy on all Europeans? I guess my question is rhetorical.

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Post by masfuerte »

flumpcakes wrote: post #82
neobrain wrote: post #61

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Yes, this had been temporarily permitted until recently, and AFAIK they continue doing so illegally at the moment.

Why is it currently illegal? If I have a service that let's users communicate, why is it illegal to look through those communications? (especially after they've signed my 400 page EULA). It would make moderation impossible otherwise. Or are we saying this is being used for something specific that happens to be illegal?

Because the EU passed a law making it illegal and the temporary exemption recently expired.

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Post by mattrighetti »

vrganj wrote: post #87
mattrighetti wrote: post #72

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They’re indirectly elected through national governments and parliament. That’s different from being directly elected by citizens. Being appointed by elected politicians doesn’t make someone directly accountable to voters. Citizens don’t vote for commissioners, and it’s much harder for voters to remove or reward them based on their policies.

So is the US president (Electoral College), the UK PM (Parliament) etc etc, yet you never hear complaints here from the same types. Their opposition is ideological, democracy is just an excuse because their true views would be too unsavory to say out loud.

The criticism is about accountability, not whether the system is democratic.

The UK pm and the POTUS are both ultimately accountable through elections. In the UK, a general election can change the government. In the US, people vote specifically for presidential electors, even if it’s through the Electoral College.

The EU commission is different. People don’t vote for commissioners or the president, and they can’t vote them out in the same direct way.

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Post by greenavocado »

cryo32 wrote: post #76
junto wrote: post #39

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I’m convinced of widespread corruption here. We need to follow the money. Who is funding and pushing this agenda to blanket spy on all Europeans? I guess my question is rhetorical.

I don’t think it’s a conspiracy or corruption. It’s just design by committee bureaucracy. It always fails into that state.

It’s just design by committee bureaucracy and its members attend Bohemian Grove

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Post by sph »

Lio wrote: post #63
stavros wrote: post #13

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We have been enjoying a succulent Chinese meal.

Yeah and Peter Hummelgaard is about to touch you on the penis. > "We must break with the totally erroneous perception that it is everyone's civil liberty to communicate on encrypted messaging services," What an arsehole. https://www.msn.com/en-us/politics/government/danish-justice...

What is it with Danish Social Democrats and wanting to enact mass surveillance at any cost?

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Post by tremon »

neobrain wrote: post #49

For context, this refers to "Chat Control 1.0", allowing facebook and other messaging providers to scan chats for harmful content (which they had been temporarily allowed to do by a recently expired law). This is still problematic, but the far more dangerous Chat Control 2.0 that would weaken end-to-end-encrypted messengers like Signal is not being discussed here. Not to diminish the gravity of the new development, b…

That exemption had an expiration date for a reason. That they failed to consolidate that practice into a better law does not make forcefully overriding that expiration any more democratic.

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Post by mattrighetti »

petcat wrote: post #7

Am I crazy or is this website not allowing me to opt out of cookie tracking unless I sign up for a subscription? I know the EU cookie banners have basically ruined the internet, but this seems like a whole 'nother level of obnoxious.

> Am I crazy or is this website not allowing me to opt out of cookie tracking unless I sign up for a subscription?

Extremely common practice for newspapers websites, unfortunately.

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