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EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

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Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

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Post by stavros »

mdp2021 wrote: post #17

Do also see: # Italy warns against Chat Control mass surveillance, but votes in favour of it (digitalcourage.social) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48783340 Do, because already there nuances (towards the better or worse) are revealed, which are not evident in journalism as we have it. The whole story needs more investigation than the stubs. But the way they are managing it in the workflow does not seem too line…

"We are in favour of this law, so long as it is not used for its intended purpose."

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Post by rckt »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #18
sph wrote: post #11

This is democracy manifest. What a joke.

It is a bit strange why EU countries allow their own credibility and legitimacy get steadily dragged down, bit by bit, by all these thousands of dubious statements, tricks, manoeuvres, and so on. Do they just not care about weakening their own societies?

The govs consist of people who have their own agendas. Mass surveillance is something they all are aligned on.

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Post by m132 »

petcat wrote: post #7

Am I crazy or is this website not allowing me to opt out of cookie tracking unless I sign up for a subscription? I know the EU cookie banners have basically ruined the internet, but this seems like a whole 'nother level of obnoxious.

This is what made me disable JavaScript by default in 2018. I didn't even get this banner.

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Post by bayindirh »

netsharc wrote: post #12
petcat wrote: post #7

Am I crazy or is this website not allowing me to opt out of cookie tracking unless I sign up for a subscription? I know the EU cookie banners have basically ruined the internet, but this seems like a whole 'nother level of obnoxious.

When they force that, it's an invitation for me to open it in an incognito window. Track all you want, assholes!

Try the demo on this site: https://fingerprint.com/demo

Both in incognito and normal modes. I bet you'll get the same fingerprinting ID in both.

So yes, they can track you in incognito mode, too.

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Post by pmontra »

petcat wrote: post #7

Am I crazy or is this website not allowing me to opt out of cookie tracking unless I sign up for a subscription? I know the EU cookie banners have basically ruined the internet, but this seems like a whole 'nother level of obnoxious.

You are correct. Reader mode on Firefox shows the full article though.

Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

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Post by mdp2021 »

stavros wrote: post #21
mdp2021 wrote: post #17

Do also see: # Italy warns against Chat Control mass surveillance, but votes in favour of it (digitalcourage.social) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48783340 Do, because already there nuances (towards the better or worse) are revealed, which are not evident in journalism as we have it. The whole story needs more investigation than the stubs. But the way they are managing it in the workflow does not seem too line…

"We are in favour of this law, so long as it is not used for its intended purpose."

You should elaborate. And explain what you understood as "its intended purpose".

My understanding of the vote last Friday was about protracting the 2021 temporary compromise (scan voluntarily until we have a full law), which was suspended at the beginning of April. It is not clear how they proceeded that way. It seems some vertices imposed that they would not accept a legal vacuum there. So, it's not a "law". What ran for the past five years was an "exception to privacy laws" (I am not informed of the mandated guardrails).

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Post by m132 »

The central bank, council, and commission have to get thoroughly investigated. The amount of questionable decisions coming from those three in the recent (15) years is extremely unsettling. The parliament and courts are practically the only institutions preventing things from hitting the fan at this point, and struggling to do so, it seems.

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Post by graemep »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #18
sph wrote: post #11

This is democracy manifest. What a joke.

It is a bit strange why EU countries allow their own credibility and legitimacy get steadily dragged down, bit by bit, by all these thousands of dubious statements, tricks, manoeuvres, and so on. Do they just not care about weakening their own societies?

Much the same reasons why the UK, US etc. do much the same. It is slowed down a bit in some countries with strong constitutions or resistance to it, but the governments all want it.

Re: EU Council forces Chat Control via fast-track

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #18
sph wrote: post #11

This is democracy manifest. What a joke.

It is a bit strange why EU countries allow their own credibility and legitimacy get steadily dragged down, bit by bit, by all these thousands of dubious statements, tricks, manoeuvres, and so on. Do they just not care about weakening their own societies?

I guess I'm not sure what's dubious here. The article says they're circumventing "democratic control bodies", but I don't know what that means (perhaps it's a more common phrase in German?), and it sounds like the European Parliament can still vote to reject Chat Control if they don't want it. The article strongly implies there's something dubious going on here, but to me what would be dubious is a procedure that prevents the parliament from voting on Chat Control.
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