Linux has long been the most practical laptop OS for me, but I can't see it ever being competitive with mobile OSes, and that's coming from someone who wants it to succeed (I've installed postmarketOS on a OP6T). I just don't see how it will overcome the various issues (app support, tap-to-pay, camera quality, etc).
Phosh 0.56.0
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Re: Phosh 0.56.0
#12Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? What's particularly heavy in these gnome tools? Like the particular programs are no issue, but the whole UNIX-userspace as done in the mainframe era and still is. Like you definitely need cooperative program suspend/resume like on Android for any kind of sane battery life, but that's unfortunately completely missing in case of GNU/Linux.
Gnomes' a massive memory hog I was looking at this and thinking maybe it would improve a cheap android phone. But now I know it's running gnome I won't even consider trying
Every desktop environment is a massive memory hog. Do you really want something minimal like xfce on a touchscreen?
Re: Phosh 0.56.0
#13The name sounds like someone driving by at high speed ...
Re: Phosh 0.56.0
#14Linux has long been the most practical laptop OS for me, but I can't see it ever being competitive with mobile OSes, and that's coming from someone who wants it to succeed (I've installed postmarketOS on a OP6T). I just don't see how it will overcome the various issues (app support, tap-to-pay, camera quality, etc).
Oddly enough I am using Win10 right now on my laptop. On my
main computer I use linux but I also got tired having to set
up things specifically for the laptop or be locked down in
a specific distribution; plus, I also have to run various
software on the laptop and when the rest of the class or
group uses Windows, and you are the sole Linux person, it
feels very lonely. So I fake being a win user in that case.
Re: Phosh 0.56.0
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gnomes' a massive memory hog I was looking at this and thinking maybe it would improve a cheap android phone. But now I know it's running gnome I won't even consider trying
Every desktop environment is a massive memory hog. Do you really want something minimal like xfce on a touchscreen?
SXMO is pretty minimal in that regard, but it doesn't force you to use the touchscreen. Can also navigate through menus via the volume buttons...
Re: Phosh 0.56.0
#16Terrible name. It's going to fail on those grounds alone.
Not that it would really succeed otherwise. You need Android app compatibility to stand a remote chance.
Re: Phosh 0.56.0
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gnomes' a massive memory hog I was looking at this and thinking maybe it would improve a cheap android phone. But now I know it's running gnome I won't even consider trying
Every desktop environment is a massive memory hog. Do you really want something minimal like xfce on a touchscreen?
I've been using openbox for over a decade. That's completely false. Xfce is not a memory hog. And it's not minimal either it's fully functional.
Gnome is a bloated mess of a thing and I hate it. Why would anyone want their desktop to use over 1gb of ram. I have a 32gb laptop and I still loath the idea of throwing away memory on such a bloated awful thing.
Running gnome on a phone. Yeah... No
Re: Phosh 0.56.0
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
Why? What's particularly heavy in these gnome tools? Like the particular programs are no issue, but the whole UNIX-userspace as done in the mainframe era and still is. Like you definitely need cooperative program suspend/resume like on Android for any kind of sane battery life, but that's unfortunately completely missing in case of GNU/Linux.
Gnomes' a massive memory hog I was looking at this and thinking maybe it would improve a cheap android phone. But now I know it's running gnome I won't even consider trying
Do you have any numbers? The last numbers I remember seeing, had XFCE around 500 MB and gnome around 700 MB. I'm trying to find some current numbers, but it's a pretty tough thing.
Without any different numbers, I think saying a massive memory hog is a little hyperbolic. Applications in use, especially browsers, are going to dwarf the desktop environment anyway. Having the polish is well worth it to many people, myself included.
I would definitely like to see less memory requirements for the various desktop environments, but at the end of the day I don't pay for any of this
Re: Phosh 0.56.0
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
Every desktop environment is a massive memory hog. Do you really want something minimal like xfce on a touchscreen?
SXMO is pretty minimal in that regard, but it doesn't force you to use the touchscreen. Can also navigate through menus via the volume buttons...
Even that will be a massive energy vampire compared to android, that had top notch engineers working on it for close to 2 decades...
Re: Phosh 0.56.0
#20Seemed interesting until I read that Phosh pulls in GNOME - gnome-settings, gnome-session etc. Seems like a very strange bundle to bring in for an extremely power constrained device, where every % of increased battery drain is noticed by the user
Phosh is not based on gnome-shell and has its own settings and apps, but it does use parts of gnome, no reason to reinvent the wheel.
> Seems like a very strange bundle to bring in for an extremely power constrained device, where every % of increased battery drain is noticed by the user
I'm sure you can make your Frankenstein version that would be 10% as usable and secure as phosh by removing everything but for most users, 100mb more ram and 1% more battery drain for an OS aiming to be a daily driver is something that's worth it.