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Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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The prophecies always were about water stress and food security. How that plays out, I don't know. If it's anything like the recent energy spikes it means burdening future generations of wealthy countries with subsidised amenities while others go without.

When food and water become scare, conflicts arise.

yes, essentially. But gets hidden behind wealthier countries tucking away the debt.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

#152
post #40

What strikes me is the relative sharp change. CO2 has been rising since, what 250 years ? However real effects of global warming seems to be felt since, like 10 years old ?

Keep in mind total emissions grew much much faster in our lifetime (let’s say 1980-2026) than in the prior 200 years, which was before most of the recent huge growth in Chinese and Indian emissions. Also the ocean and arctic were absorbing the majority of the heat. The arctics been going through these heat waves for 10 years, its white albedo decreasing and potentially permafrost melting making more effective emissio…

“Stop eating beef.”

Nah we need to stop burning fossil fuels dude.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

#153

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Ideally we would want a fine particulate that stays high in the atmosphere, and doesn't come down where we need to breathe

Fine particulates aren't a problem if you wear a gas mask though.

Yay.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

#154
post #2

to me, these heatwaves feel like the start of the end of human existence

Nah. It's really as simple as this: Southern climates are moving north. (In the northern hemisphere.) If you want a vision of the future, consider a New England that looks more like the Southeast. There will be winners and losers. As climate zones move toward the poles, weather patterns and agricultural viability will shift with them. This will eventually turn current breadbaskets into deserts while warming up northe…

Let’s say the end of our civilization and going back to middle age or something like that.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

#155
post #19

Why such short term graphs? One of them only goes back 1991, and the longest term only goes back to 1946.

I’d assume lack of quality high resolution data. Weather stations all over the place, with records preserved indefinitely, is a relatively recent phenomenon.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

#156
post #3

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People one or two generations before you felt that about the cold war.

The conditions leading to the Cold War were reversible, this crisis is becoming very much less so. Despite what the carbon capture techno optimists say.

If you actually look at the numbers of carbon capture its entirely obvious that it can't work. It's honestly strange to me that they even waste money on it, personally I think it's a distraction - "look we're working on a fix, now let us just pump up the rest of this oil in the mean time and we'll definitely fix it later".

In order to just offset our current emissions, we would need around a million carbon capture facilities equivalent to the largest one we currently have. For comparison, the number of power plants in the entire world is a few tens of thousands. So we'd need maybe like 50 times as many capture plants as we currently have power plants.

Like it's not even in the neighbourhood of realistic, it's just completely infeasible and I am sure engineers know that. You basically need to suck the whole atmosphere through facilities, and there's a lot of atmosphere.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

#157
post #138

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I think thats the wrong level of abstraction. The cold war ended, but clima change will not end.

Of course it will. There is a finite amount of fossil fuels and it'll become uneconomical to use before those are fully exhausted. Give it some more years (say, a few hundred) after the last car fleet and power plant switched away and the climate will have triggered any tipping points it's going to tip. Then the animals that haven't adapted will soon have finished going extinct, the ocean finished warming up with its…

That's the correct level of pedantic answer my comment deserves. Everything is true. Clima change will stop, how much of humanity or human society survives is open, but yes it will stop.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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post #138

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I think thats the wrong level of abstraction. The cold war ended, but clima change will not end.

Of course it will. There is a finite amount of fossil fuels and it'll become uneconomical to use before those are fully exhausted. Give it some more years (say, a few hundred) after the last car fleet and power plant switched away and the climate will have triggered any tipping points it's going to tip. Then the animals that haven't adapted will soon have finished going extinct, the ocean finished warming up with its…

I think they meant "end before the near-extinction of humanity", but yes, it eventually will reach another steady state one way or another.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

#159
post #39

And yet many Europeans will still argue that ACs are evil and they shouldn't have them despite an estimated 175k heat related deaths per year. Although maybe this heat wave will change some minds.

Are the anti-AC zealots in the room right now?

Lived in Europe all my life, never seen this, in the past 40 years. I think it’s more an American fantasy than anything else. Historically, aircon in Northern Europe was pointless except for large office blocks, so was rarely installed. It’s been common in much of Southern Europe for a while.

I think it’s still a _fairly_ hard sell in much of Northern Europe; you might be talking about a few days a year when it’s actually required, which will discourage people from putting it in. Thought about it myself when I was WFH during covid, but in Ireland in particular it really is just a few days a year, at worst.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

#160
Unfortunately, the headline, like ALL of the rest for decades, is woefully conservative and fails to address the real situation, and more probmilmaticaly the failure modes of intense climate change. The current (daily) charts and maps as all in record teritory, with changes so extream as to suggest that there could be unmanageable conditions in our imediate future.

https://www.ospo.noaa.gov/products/ocean/sst/contour/

https://nsidc.org/sea-ice-today

https://climatereanalyzer.org/clim/seaice_daily/

edit: The charts shown in the article, show the institutional insanity, by greying out Ireland, speaking of "europe", but showing only data for England.

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