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Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by graemep »

iso1631 wrote: post #22
yde_java wrote: post #4

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Research past heat waves in Europe. Did your grand parents felt the same as you?

1960 to 1979 had 6 years where UK temperatures went over 30C in June 1980 to 1999 had 6 years 2000 to 2019 had 13 years 2020 to 2026 has had 6 years so far, and we're only 35% of the way through The longest period of time from 1960 to 2000 where june temperatures went higher than 30 was two years, reaching 30 in 1975 and 36 in 1976. 2021 was the only June in the last 10 years where temperatures didn't reach that 1975…

So even if it goes above 30 every single remaining year it will still be 9 vs 13 in the previous decade?

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by thewhitetulip »

throw_m239339 wrote: post #77
thewhitetulip wrote: post #32

Why is it that aggressive climate action is not taken still?

> Why is it that aggressive climate action is not taken still? We can't even have global peace around the world, some people are still starving daily despite the fact that there is plenty of food to feed everybody on the planet, and slavery is still a thing, who's going to do what climate action exactly?

Europe and the world in general obviously. 1000 people doed in France due to the heat wave.

Ignoring heat wave deaths, Hormuz crisis has shown us that oil cam be blockaded but the panels and windmills installed on our rooftops can't be blockaded

Even Cuba is setting up solar plants with the help of China.

Philippines is the highest importer of solar panels since Hormuz was blocked. Rest of South Asia is quickly following

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by Dumblydorr »

inigyou wrote: post #95
Dumblydorr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind total emissions grew much much faster in our lifetime (let’s say 1980-2026) than in the prior 200 years, which was before most of the recent huge growth in Chinese and Indian emissions. Also the ocean and arctic were absorbing the majority of the heat. The arctics been going through these heat waves for 10 years, its white albedo decreasing and potentially permafrost melting making more effective emissio…

What action will you take to ensure next year it's only 85F?

You can’t. All you can do is realize every trip you take and every bite of beef is yet another drop in the bucket. Every vote for a denialist is probably worth 100s of burgers too, sad to say.

You must choose if your hedonism outweighs the good of our biosphere now and in future. The billions of unborn humans. The trillions of innocent life forms that might go extinct. That blue bird or cardinal in the yard with no AC. The coral reefs decimated. The poor humans suffering tremendously. We have a choice to slightly reduce these things.

Most people choose hedonism.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by intended »

swiftcoder wrote: post #113
xienze wrote: post #65

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It does when people start talking about a heatwave as being the "start of the end of human existence." It strongly implies that these trends will wipe out humanity in very short order. Perhaps even within the lifetimes of people in this thread. What I find most amusing is people somehow think climate change will end humanity faster than what's _actually_ on track to do so, and quickly: people having children well bel…

> people having children well below replacement levels You do realise that the global population is still increasing? While birthrates are falling, we aren't even predicted to hit the peak for another half-century. Even pessimistic estimates put it in the 2200s before we fall back to current population levels. Which is ~100 years longer than current estimates give us before the effects of climate change starts taking…

I too am curious as to why that is the feature they are concerned about.

As I recall there was a UN survey that found financial security was the most common reason for adults across the globe to choose not having children.

Income levels are highly dependent on the degree of stability and monthly expenses that households can expect.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by thewhitetulip »

makapuf wrote: post #46
thewhitetulip wrote: post #32

Why is it that aggressive climate action is not taken still?

Sure those heatwaves are murderous, but I think the earlier they come, the earlier real action is taken. The worst could be a very slow response.

They are early. I saw an old prediction for EU temparature

The 2050 temp they had predicted was less than the current heat wave

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by A_D_E_P_T »

Aachen wrote: post #96
A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #23

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Nah. It's really as simple as this: Southern climates are moving north. (In the northern hemisphere.) If you want a vision of the future, consider a New England that looks more like the Southeast. There will be winners and losers. As climate zones move toward the poles, weather patterns and agricultural viability will shift with them. This will eventually turn current breadbaskets into deserts while warming up northe…

> our prehistoric forebears had a lot worse to deal with Do you mean in terms of climate change? I know some temperatures were different but this was much more gradual afaik, which is no problem for anyone with two feet and a sense of where to go, but they were much more dependent on the ecosystem which struggles to keep up with the speed of today's changes From what I hear, what we're causing is unprecedented for hu…

Prehistoric climate change was sometimes much more sudden than anything we've experienced. See e.g.: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Younger_Dryas

There are others.

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by graemep »

pyrale wrote: post #91
yde_java wrote: post #4

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Research past heat waves in Europe. Did your grand parents felt the same as you?

Yeah it's true, Europe has had heat waves in the past. For instance, in 1540. Also 1779. And also 1906, 1947, 1964, 1976, 2003, 2006, 2015, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2022, 2023, 2024, and 2025. Frequency? Do I look like a statistician to you?!

I do not know about Europe as a whole, but 1911 was pretty bad in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1911_United_Kingdom_heatwave

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by swiftcoder »

inigyou wrote: post #95
Dumblydorr wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind total emissions grew much much faster in our lifetime (let’s say 1980-2026) than in the prior 200 years, which was before most of the recent huge growth in Chinese and Indian emissions. Also the ocean and arctic were absorbing the majority of the heat. The arctics been going through these heat waves for 10 years, its white albedo decreasing and potentially permafrost melting making more effective emissio…

What action will you take to ensure next year it's only 85F?

> What action will you take to ensure next year it's only 85F?

The time to take that particular action was 20 or 30 years ago. We're not in a position to do a damn thing about next year's heat waves, or the year after that...

What we're talking about now is taking actions that may prevent much larger heat waves 20 years from now

Re: Europe's new climate in seven charts

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Post by inigyou »

swiftcoder wrote: post #128
inigyou wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What action will you take to ensure next year it's only 85F?

> What action will you take to ensure next year it's only 85F? The time to take that particular action was 20 or 30 years ago. We're not in a position to do a damn thing about next year's heat waves, or the year after that... What we're talking about now is taking actions that may prevent much larger heat waves 20 years from now

What actions will you take to ensure the summer of 2050 isn't 200F?
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