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$85,000 in tokens later: What I learned from scaling agentic coding at Lovable

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Re: $85,000 in tokens later: What I learned from scaling agentic coding at Lovable

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- i swear to god it has been 3 years since LLMs came out - i still have no idea what people are running for more than 5 mins - if you are sitting and writing 20000 page requirement documents for your next project and having agentic AI agents create the whole damn project from scratch, you are doing it all wrong - you ll end up eroding all your skills that translate requirements to code and worse you are dependent on…

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- wrong comparison

- ever heard the word called threshold? there is always a threshold for everything in this universe

- when you say i dont need to manually do math anymore because i use a calculator, the threshold for offloading your thinking is very very low

- when you say i dont need assembly language anymore because i learnt python, once again the threshold for offloading your thinking to an external source is very very slow because you are still thinking how that program works in python

- but now you are saying here is a document that describes how the system works and let the agent generate the code

- you are not thinking at all here are you?

- even if you were to claim that writing requirement documents is a form of thought, you are still offloading the parts of your brain that were capable of translating requirement documents to code

- i can still add and subtract 6 digit numbers effortlessly and rapidly without a calculator because i stopped using one long time back

- can you say the same about the current generation of engineers 10 yrs from now?

Re: $85,000 in tokens later: What I learned from scaling agentic coding at Lovable

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Its fine for web and mobile as long as you can't get sued if data leaks or you get hacked.

Fortunately AI lawyers are much cheaper than real lawyers.

And AI layers are so good that even OpenAI complained that it would be unable to navigate compliance if every US state can have it's own AI legislation.

And they have infinite access to AI that passed the bar exam and is brandished with "PhD-level intelligence."

Re: $85,000 in tokens later: What I learned from scaling agentic coding at Lovable

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> Human review is an exception

I see quite a few bloggers saying this. Not super surprising coming from a vibe coding company trying to encourage vibe coding. The problem with applying this in other companies is that human review by the vibe coder is the exception. It still gets human reviewed, just by a tired human who is jaded at daily getting numerous 20 page PR review requests with 20 distinct unrelated changes because the "author" figured as long as they're making a change with AI they might as well say yes to every suggested follow-on prompt and as long as they're making a PR why not include all these changes in it and the code is moved all around for no reason and every line shows changes because of formatting changes so we'll have to add more rules to the linter now which we never needed before and the functions are renamed and reimplemented and replaced and removed because of course it's just better that way and the documentation is full of wrong assumptions and emojis and oh god the comments have emojis too and it's ok they can implement those fixes just give them a moment so they can add another commit to the 20 fix commits in the PR and the commit they push doesn't have anything to do with the thing it's supposed to fix did they even look at this ok just talk to them and oh they've been away on chat for hours and oh they're an innovator look at all those commits made and PRs opened and oh geez if those old geezers would stop holding up the PRs with slow human brains and being blockers maybe they'd be the ones getting the promotions and the fast-tracks and the innovator awards

Re: $85,000 in tokens later: What I learned from scaling agentic coding at Lovable

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For critical stuff, there is already a ton of regulations in place that prevent this kind of thing from happening. Why do people think programmers working in such industries have no oversight and can ship whatever they want and however they want? It simply doesn't work that way in those industries.

> Why do people think programmers working in such industries have no oversight and can ship whatever they want and however they want? I've worked in those industries, and there's a large gap between the theory of what you're saying vs the practical reality when the CxO suite are pushing AI on everyone. :(

:( indeed if that's the case

Re: $85,000 in tokens later: What I learned from scaling agentic coding at Lovable

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Instead of employing an engineer for a year we burned an obscene amount of resources to generate code which will enable vibe coders to burn more resources. But we’re lovable! Cute smile. Heart emoji.

50M projects built on Lovable and somehow I've never seen any of them

Re: $85,000 in tokens later: What I learned from scaling agentic coding at Lovable

#29
If you don't human review anything and no human reads the codebase guess what I could do hundreds of PRs in an hour and appear the most productive while not doing any real work at all. These kind of idiotic companies sound like great places to work for as overemployed .

Re: $85,000 in tokens later: What I learned from scaling agentic coding at Lovable

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- wrong comparison - ever heard the word called threshold? there is always a threshold for everything in this universe - when you say i dont need to manually do math anymore because i use a calculator, the threshold for offloading your thinking is very very low - when you say i dont need assembly language anymore because i learnt python, once again the threshold for offloading your thinking to an external source is v…

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