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Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

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Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

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Since beginning of 2025 big corps turned to be each time more anti consumer. They feel quite comfortable. I wonder what happened for them to feel like that.

Pretty sure that phone companies have been anti-customer ever since the invention of the telephone.

Well, they are providing a valuable service to society. How much money should they be allowed to profit for providing this service?

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

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The main way is that literally zero of these watches actually meet the standards that the cell networks require of a cell phone. Every single one of them has a carrier exemption or a lower standard to adhere to, because it turns out that putting a cell phone's RF package into a watch is super hard, both because of size and the various negative effects of the human body on radio signals. This affects cell phones too o…

> various negative effects of the human body on radio signals I was under the impression radio waves couldn’t interact with biological matter in any meaningful way. Can you share more about this?

Matter of any kind interacts with radio wave on some level. You might be thinking of how radio waves in the bands and power used for cellular don't have a negative health impact. But they still 100% interact and the human body, being both dense and conductive, absorbs radio waves beautifully.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

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The problem is that scammers juice engagement numbers and everything right now makes money via user engagement. The platforms are incentivized to not punish scammers, spammers, etc. one ounce more than they can manage without pissing off their users.

That’s why platform providers should not be the primary rule makers; there is a fundamental problem of incentives.

Its a market positioning thing. I will pay platforms that reduce my daily friction over those that don’t. You may not. The overall market sentiment will determine which companies win.

I’m saying this as someone who moved 100% off of public cloud storage recently and who has self hosted my own email from 2010 to 2017.

Phone numbers is one thing where I want less privacy. I personally can vet but it’s still super annoying. Non technical users fall for scams all the time. I literally want people’s IDs be linked to phone numbers. I’m literally TIRED of screening calls even though Apple made it easier recently.

Agree to disagree, sorry.

Edit: I want every phone number calling me to be linked with a physical ID and address (whether individual or legal entity) and accessible via a single button tap. In 2026 there is no reason for someone to call someone anonymously.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main way is that literally zero of these watches actually meet the standards that the cell networks require of a cell phone. Every single one of them has a carrier exemption or a lower standard to adhere to, because it turns out that putting a cell phone's RF package into a watch is super hard, both because of size and the various negative effects of the human body on radio signals. This affects cell phones too o…

> various negative effects of the human body on radio signals I was under the impression radio waves couldn’t interact with biological matter in any meaningful way. Can you share more about this?

The body both absorbs RF, meaning there has to be a safe absorption rate (SAR) and creates impedance with it. It also creates radio shadows. What’s more, larger individuals have more of this effect. At Fitbit there was a guy who I’ll refer to only by his first name — Tim — who was our first port of call for whether or not our prototypes were getting the job done, RF-wise. He was a very large human. (proportionally speaking — he was also very fit!)

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

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Prediction: absolutely nothing will happen about resolving this. Ever. And eventually they will find a line in the ToS allowing this and point to it — some paragraph that says they may cut any line of service with no notice at all you you still owe them your firstborn and the payment for the rest of your contract, and also you now need to change your name to Verizon.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

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"Without the app we won't be able to text back and forth, see where they are, or add new contacts (the watch blocks calls except to/from contacts)."

"Our older two kids, Lily and Anna, are ten and eight, and are mature enough that they're able to cross streets and handle unusual situations. They can go to the park or a nearby friends house on their own, but we do need to know where they are"

"Meet Gizmo Watch 3, the smartwatch that introduces kids to wireless technology safely. With an SOS button, voice and video calling4 and text messaging,"

After clicking around the article and the watch page and desperately trying to figure out why a 20 bucks casio F91 isn't doing the job, all I have to say is, thank god I am a millenial instead of being raised by one

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

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"Without the app we won't be able to text back and forth, see where they are, or add new contacts (the watch blocks calls except to/from contacts)." "Our older two kids, Lily and Anna, are ten and eight, and are mature enough that they're able to cross streets and handle unusual situations. They can go to the park or a nearby friends house on their own, but we do need to know where they are" "Meet Gizmo Watch 3, the…

Seems like you are getting caught up on the watch form-factor. If you think of it as a stripped down cell phone for a kid you don't want to have a cell phone yet, this product makes perfect sense.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main way is that literally zero of these watches actually meet the standards that the cell networks require of a cell phone. Every single one of them has a carrier exemption or a lower standard to adhere to, because it turns out that putting a cell phone's RF package into a watch is super hard, both because of size and the various negative effects of the human body on radio signals. This affects cell phones too o…

> various negative effects of the human body on radio signals I was under the impression radio waves couldn’t interact with biological matter in any meaningful way. Can you share more about this?

Radio waves are not ionizing radiation, so they aren't directly cancerous in the same way as say, x-rays or UV light (UV light is about the threshold for this), but they are still absorbed by water in tissue, which heats it up slightly. There is a limit to how much this is safe, and so radio safety standards impose limits on the average power you can use to transmit in most consumer devices. The standards are stricter for something intended to be carried in a pocket or worn on the body.

Re: Verizon is about to break our Gizmo watches

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> various negative effects of the human body on radio signals I was under the impression radio waves couldn’t interact with biological matter in any meaningful way. Can you share more about this?

The body both absorbs RF, meaning there has to be a safe absorption rate (SAR) and creates impedance with it. It also creates radio shadows. What’s more, larger individuals have more of this effect. At Fitbit there was a guy who I’ll refer to only by his first name — Tim — who was our first port of call for whether or not our prototypes were getting the job done, RF-wise. He was a very large human. (proportionally sp…

I've found my calling. Is this "Tim" role open now that he's left?
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