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AI has torched the market for junior programmers

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Re: AI has torched the market for junior programmers

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I suspect that the last white collar workers have been trained outside of regulated fields. If it can be taught, an AI can do it. The only work left is either manual or inherently new.

Ai can't even take a McDonald's order as well as a low paid human yet

Re: AI has torched the market for junior programmers

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Anecdotally we haven’t hired junior engineers in over a year and do not plan to.

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Stop the moral grandstanding. This is a legitimate observation.

We're also not hiring juniors. Only seniors who can use LLMs and evaluate the outputs.

Re: AI has torched the market for junior programmers

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> We are watching programming stop being a job title and become a capability, the same way "typist" stopped being a job title when it became a thing everyone was expected to know. Casually pretending that decades of software engineers comparing programming to typing and saying "you are not a programmer, that is not a job" long before chatbots, didn't exist. The job was always "software architect", "software engineer"…

Lots of software engineers were just stack overflow copy pasters. No offense, it’s also a good way to learn, I’ve also done my fair share of stupid programming, but let’s not pretend the value to humankind was huge there

Re: AI has torched the market for junior programmers

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Anecdotally we haven’t hired junior engineers in over a year and do not plan to.

Same here.

Here we are, and it's big tech. Had quite a few interviews scheduled over the last few weeks, literally more than in the last 2 years.

Re: AI has torched the market for junior programmers

#28

I suspect that the last white collar workers have been trained outside of regulated fields. If it can be taught, an AI can do it. The only work left is either manual or inherently new.

> If it can be taught, an AI can do it.

Absolutely not the case now. Maybe it will be in future, but that's basically impossible to predict.

Re: AI has torched the market for junior programmers

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Anecdotally we haven’t hired junior engineers in over a year and do not plan to.

Same here.

+1

Used to have an “academy” where we pick people up from first year in uni and get them to learn from zero.

Haven’t had one in ~3 years, no plan to.

Also half the company was downsized.

No hiring in 3 years, cutting tons of people and tons of people leaving, we’re now at a point where in the tech i work in, our most junior person is a senior with about 10 YoE

Re: AI has torched the market for junior programmers

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Anecdotally we haven’t hired junior engineers in over a year and do not plan to.

I'm about to get a junior engineer to work with at my Big Tech company. This used to be normal, it's now slightly extraordinary. I've not worked with a junior engineer in literally years. Even typing this, I think: this must be hyperbole, it's true though.
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