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I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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and it is how? you replied to satire/dystopian fiction. it is by definition not what it is. and it doesn't have to be. by saying oh it's inevitable believe me, "the only surety that we have" (casually inserting we like everyone is the same on that) etc. you are trying to normalize it, painting anyone not on board as not part of "us", outcast, old fashioned and anti progress. often when people do this sort of attempt…

Have a great day!

thanks, certainly will;)

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

#142

It’s a joke and all but also not really? You might have to go do a chalk talk at some point, and that is basically the only part of this article that is actually not real. The rest (about how everyone in academia is prompting everything) is absolutely VERY real. The word around all the scientific communities which I’m in contact with (to be honest, not so many) is basically “oh, there is no way to stop it, so we’ll e…

The "not really" aspect is so significant that it's barely a joke. It's more serious and thought provoking than a simple joke. I guess that's how good satire works. This in particular I found quite interesting: "My research is a collaboration between me and several large language models. We are co-investigators. When you ask me to explain my research without ChatGPT, you are asking me to speak on behalf of a collabor…

"decision making that a chatbot is responsible for" is a pretty wild statement, though there's a few to choose from

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

#143

It’s a joke and all but also not really? You might have to go do a chalk talk at some point, and that is basically the only part of this article that is actually not real. The rest (about how everyone in academia is prompting everything) is absolutely VERY real. The word around all the scientific communities which I’m in contact with (to be honest, not so many) is basically “oh, there is no way to stop it, so we’ll e…

The "not really" aspect is so significant that it's barely a joke. It's more serious and thought provoking than a simple joke. I guess that's how good satire works. This in particular I found quite interesting: "My research is a collaboration between me and several large language models. We are co-investigators. When you ask me to explain my research without ChatGPT, you are asking me to speak on behalf of a collabor…

The problem is that we want, at the same time, to allow everyone to do it (by not enforcing any rules against it) AND laugh at a satire like this as if it was ridiculous. Both things cannot happen at the same time. It’ll be some time before we acknowledge that there is no research without AI, so we’ll keep pretending it doesn’t exist, but in the meantime, we will be doing all research with AI anyway. And by the time we arrive at a scenario like the article’s, it won’t be so ridiculous anymore, because we will be used to the even more ridiculous situation of pretending we’re not doing it.

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

#144
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That's what makes it good satire. But if you honestly think that someone applying for a postdoc can't explain what their research is about, it's on you.

Applying for a position is a much lower bar than having any chance of landing the position. I’ve interviewed someone for a programming position. The guy practically nailed the standard quiz (done at leisure before the interview), but was unable to explain why he answered what he answered. When we got to reviewing a little program (compare two strings, see if the distribution of letters is the same), he could not walk…

>Well at least postdocs have a PhD

That's the point. This is the bar.

>Still, sometimes, frauds do slip through.

You're projecting your experience in IT on academia, and I can't emphasize strongly enough how far off you are. Which was why this piece was written: that reality is already here in software engineering. The entire point is: if this seems absurd in the context of the piece, why would you accept this anywhere else?

In any case, this satire wasn't written from the point of view of a fraud. And if it doesn't seem outright absurd to you, you need to get a reality check.

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

#145

This is satire.

Honest question : does it need to be said ? It's like the /s sign. Can some people not, for themselves, realize that this text is meant as a more or less a joke ? And before you ask, yeah, I am aware some of the people are on the spectrum, but still... Is humor that hard to grasp on the internet ?

> Is humor that hard to grasp on the internet ?

Problem is that the Internet is too big that there actually could be someone writing this as a serious blog post. For this one it was quite obvious at some point, but when only reading the first few paragraphs I am very certain that there could be someone out there meaning it serious (sadly).

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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The person in the story can clearly usefully steer LLMs if they got that far. So either they have that understanding and context, or it's not actually as valuable as was previously thought.

She says she can usefully steer LLMs, but how would she know? What knowledge of the research topic, methods and their applicability would she use to judge that, if all she’s doing is writing a prompt asking ChatGPT to write a summary of her research topic, methods and their applicability? Supposing using LLMs as research tools is fine, the chalk talk is still necessary to test that the researcher has the fundamental…

Line one is "I recently interviewed for a tenure-track position" which suggests she has a resume that ... actually qualifies for an interview? And did every single step up until now correctly?

Like, I'm sorry, you can't just walk into those off the street. Don't be absurd. I suppose you could say the entire system was happy to spend 4 years lying to her about her grades? But at that point it's "corrupt system completely fails a young student who was enthralled by new technology"

> test that the researcher has the fundamental skills and knowledge necessary to discriminate usefully between alternative responses

... and how, exactly, is she gonna demonstrate that if she can't prompt it in the first place?

> “now refine that reply for my specific needs”

That absolutely works if you've discussed your specific needs with the model for four years and it has dozens of memories and reference files to work from.

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

#147

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The person in the story can clearly usefully steer LLMs if they got that far. So either they have that understanding and context, or it's not actually as valuable as was previously thought.

She can’t answer a single thing without opening her laptop.

Yeah, and the deaf lady can't answer a single thing without her interpreter. Again, what's your point? Is this a field where people are expected to work without a laptop for some reason?

Like, I get why we'd want a pilot not to need ChatGPT, but a scientist is not in any of those categories.

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

#148

Calling it "Discrimination" is obviously absurd but if the process produces useful results, one ought to seriously consider whether it might be worth switching. I understand we have always conventionally transported goods by horse. Yes, this employee knows nothing about horses, and in fact is rather spooked by them, but we've checked! Their claim to be able to transport goods faster, without a horse, somehow seems to…

Found Rachel. Thinking and doing things with this archaic thing called “brain” is not a horse, and using LLM is not a truck.

Do you do all your arithmetic by hand, or do you insist on using this archaic thing called "brain"?

Why are you even on the internet if you value this "brain" thing so much?

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

#149

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But when humans do it suddenly it's "standing on the shoulders of giants" I don't get how you can possibly call it plagiarism if it produce a novel breakthrough - by definition, the existing knowledge base doesn't contain the new ideas generated in this process. And we've proven it can handle complex, novel thinking when it solved a significant Erdos problem back in May: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/ai-…

The difference is thinking for yourself

Sorry, what about solving an open mathematics problem is not "thinking for yourself"? What exactly WOULD constitute "thinking for yourself", or is this just a magic soul thing?

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

#150

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The difference is thinking for yourself

Sorry, what about solving an open mathematics problem is not "thinking for yourself"? What exactly WOULD constitute "thinking for yourself", or is this just a magic soul thing?

you read some books and think hard = not plagiarism

you press a button and a machine creates a derivative work from some books = plagiarism (mostly by people who made the machine and charge you for it, maybe arguably you but that's a different question)

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