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Funny how GearsDatapacks ( https://github.com/gearsdatapacks ) votes to delete the Odin page because it's "non-notable" yet is a core member of the non-notable Gleam language which shockingly has a Wikipedia page
Well, Casey Muratori argued github stars should be considered a metric of notability, and the Gleam repository has almost twice the number (21.6k vs Odin's 11k)! Jokes aside, I'm not sure Gleam belongs on Wikipedia if Odin does not...
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> I am a terminally-online person, and I do program. I am not interested in neolanguages. I wouldn't say I'm terminally-online, but I do program, passing interest in neolanguages. I've heard about Odin, because I also do 3D VFX and simulations, particularly fire and fluid simulations, and JangaFX kind of infamously hit the 3D simulation scene with EmberGen which kind of did what many thought was short of impossible,…
> If building a world-class (almost revolutionary) product with your own programming language doesn't count as "making your thing notable", maybe it's time to revisit what notable means? JangaFX/EmberGen been covered A LOT in its niche, but because it's a niche, somehow that doesn't seem to count for Wikipedia as "notable". Please RTFA and address the rebukes to this very point that are presented herein... -.- "Usage…
I'm not even sure that would count, really. A world-class product that gets a lot of coverage is notable, for sure, but that wouldn't be enough to make some implementation detail of that product notable unless the sources really leaned on it.
>There are two ways one can "figure out a person" who rarely states their beliefs explicitly, specifically a public figure: >You can infer from their descriptions and prescriptions about things—that's slow, takes times, but it will give you the most accurate image to the extent of the public information. See who they follow on Twitter. This feels like an appeal to tribalism against Bill. My politics are left-leaning…
The author of this article seems quite politically driven like the mods on Wikipedia, and created it disingenuously. I feel it's an attempt to overwhelm the readers through massive amounts of text so that they are too tired to see what's being said at the beginning and end are completely unrelated.
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Its a good reminder that all wikipedia software is GPL, and the article content is CC-BY-SA. Anyone who thinks they can do better has the right to fork. Most of Wikipedia's rules are there for a reason, and i suspect people who fork would find out why the hard way, but hey, only one way to find out.
Hey, you can fork 100% of the content, and several sites already have; but can you also fork enough volunteer editors, sysops, bureaucrats? Can you fork enough DevOps and cloud architects? Can you fork the WikiMania events and the assets that have been collected & established by the Wikimedia Foundation? I mean, some dudes way back in the day successfully forked Spanish-language Wikipedia because of some advertising…
Get together and fork (or make your own) Wikipedia. Seriously. Wikipedia seems very good at providing detailed, accurate, concise facts of well-known, non-controversial topics. It’s by far the best in this area. Unfortunately (perhaps as a sacrifice for this competence) it sets a high and inconsistent bar for “well-known” and has a specific bias in controversial topics*. On the other end of the spectrum, search engin…
I guess Elon Musk is doing something like that: https://grokipedia.com/page/Odin_programming_language At least there, the Odin article still lives on.
I have never been a wikipedia contributor (let alone a mod), but their points seem fair. Maybe not fair for the particular case, but fair for the general case. People who ridicule wikipedia policies should at least acknowledge that the modern internet is a very low trust society with millions of bad actors trying to push their agenda at the expense of others. And now with AI bots running amok the headache increases t…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brainfuck Apparently that one is "notable" but Odin is not. "The rules" are on the hook to justify their existence by providing reasonable and desirable outcomes, they're not a purpose unto themselves. If your rules are shown to be buggy, fix your rules.
I think a more comparable language would be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletio...
if people want there to be an article on Odin they can contribute to the current draft. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Odin_(programming_langua...
Their claim of 'one of the most popular "C competitor" languages' is also questionable when we have actual competitors like Rust and Zig (from the top of my head).
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This type of odd vitriol against vlang, when the language has nothing to do with Wikipedia's processes, is both misplaced and demonstrates succumbing to excessive fanaticism from competitor propaganda. The origins of this strange sentiment, appears to partially come from Odin's creator, making the situation a bit of poetic justice. We are here to witness vlang's creator having a Wikipedia page, while Odin's creator s…
While perhaps this is on me for not stating my position while repeating Bill's comment, I think you are unfairly assuming bad faith. You are wrong to state that I am motivated by fanatism or jealousy. I have no involvement whatever with Odin and am in agreement with the parent article (though I think it's personal criticisms veer a bit too far). The creator of Odin using Odin at jangafx is not an appropriate source i…
Rather, the shooting of such strays appears to reflect old competitor propaganda pushed on certain social media sites (that traces back to Ginger Bill and other competitors in different ways) and a sentiment, often regurgitated by certain fanatics of his, where they appear to be upset by vlang's level of success.
> Our best hypothesis is quite simple: some of the mods just don't like Odin as a language
Even here, where this quote is taken directly from Ginger Bill's post, shows how wrong he and certain of his followers are about the issue. It is not about about Wikipedia mods not liking Odin or even about the articles of other languages. Wikipedia has certain rules and reference requirements for articles to survive an AfC or AfD "challenge" and Odin failed.
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>Odin is a proprietary language What do you mean by “proprietary language”? To me “proprietary” means closed source, where one can only download binaries, not source code. “proprietary” can also have source code available, but with a license which is not open-source. Odin, however, is an open-source language with an open-source license: https://github.com/odin-lang/Odin/blob/master/LICENSE
I knew nothing about this language, despite being a programmer, until today. My takeaway from TFA was this language's claim to relevance is the fact that it's used to produce a product, and the CEO of the company producing the product was trying to vouch for it. Having looked more, this is not right. It seems more like one person who wanted to make video games developed a programming language instead, and now makes t…