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I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Post by voakbasda »

dag100 wrote: post #108
solresol wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In some fields, all of those statements are true already. In a large number of few fields, all of those statements will be true in the near future (10 years maximum). There's no reason that the Humboldtian model should be the right structure for the next century's universities, just as it wasn't the right structure for the 18th century's universities.

Wow, I can't wait to live in a world where nobody knows how anything works, some people are arbitrarily rich and some arbitrarily poor with no ability to change their standing in life, and, worst of all, people celebrate these developments, even if they may be in the poor cohort, as progress.

In other words, prepare to get medieval.

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Post by calzakk »

xelxebar wrote: post #102

This is about software developers.

Even in a couple of years, I think most devs are still going to be able to write pseudocode for a simple algorithm on a whiteboard, but anything involving real code is going to be difficult without AI. Unless you have side projects or work for a company that doesn't mandate heavy use of AI, you're going to lose your coding skills pretty quickly.

Interviews for devs will change, it'll be far more high-level/architectural, rather than testing coding ability. Live coding tasks will inevitably require prompting AI, simply because that's where things are heading.

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Post by ShinyLeftPad »

wiseowise wrote: post #112
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure you do (but I’m pretty sure the original was a joke). Calculators, computers, phones, etc., are standard parts of any design meeting, these days. I interviewed a number of folks, over the years, that brought laptops, and used them to demonstrate their work.

No, you don’t. Not in the way the essay portrays it. You don’t ask your calculator “what am I supposed to do with number 2, 2 and funny star (*)”, do you? You have a clear calculation in your mind: multiply two by two.

That's actually a very good catch. Like, we can talk and drive, but we usually can't talk and read something different, one or the other will be seriously hampered.

We can punch in numbers into calculator mostly by mechanical memory but prompting LLMs and reading their output for most people occupies the same lane that's used for talking to other people!

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Post by ShinyLeftPad »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #119
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure you do (but I’m pretty sure the original was a joke). Calculators, computers, phones, etc., are standard parts of any design meeting, these days. I interviewed a number of folks, over the years, that brought laptops, and used them to demonstrate their work.

As youse guys pointed out, it’s an imperfect analogy, but the Rubicon has been crossed. The cat is out of the bag. The genie is out of the bottle. The horses have left the barn. The die is cast. Alea iacta est. Ain’t gonna put the candy back in the piñata. We’ll just have to see what happens.

You're really trying to normalize it hard... But the reality is it's maybe true in some specific niche communities and bubbles. any given time in history different weird things were normal in small communities and bubbles. and time absolutely did not make those things "normal"

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Post by xenophonf »

talon8635 wrote: post #35
topham wrote: post #2

"prepared to do what I do every single day in my actual scientific practice: type a prompt and receive a coherent, well-structured response that I would then lightly edit and present as my own thinking." So, plagiarism. Daily.

What’s going on with social queues today where so many people here are not immediately understanding this is clearly satire?

Comedy is dead. I can't believe so many folks didn't clock this post.

(Also, the word is "cue", as in "signal". English sucks.)

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Post by otekengineering »

academia will (hopefully) be an industry that benefits from, rather than degraded or obsoleted by, ai. the system should self-correct. scientists that use ai to give themselves more time to think will succeed and scientists that use ai to avoid thinking will fail. over the next few years processes and pedagogies should develop that help reliably guide researchers toward success.

there's a lot of tedium in academia. ai taking menial tasks off the plates of grad students and post docs allows them to spend more time collaborating with, instead of serving, the head of the lab. dissertation defense is already a strong mitigation against producing folks like that satirical Dr. Simmons, you can't defend a dissertation if you don't have the chops for a chalk talk.

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #134
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As youse guys pointed out, it’s an imperfect analogy, but the Rubicon has been crossed. The cat is out of the bag. The genie is out of the bottle. The horses have left the barn. The die is cast. Alea iacta est. Ain’t gonna put the candy back in the piñata. We’ll just have to see what happens.

You're really trying to normalize it hard... But the reality is it's maybe true in some specific niche communities and bubbles. any given time in history different weird things were normal in small communities and bubbles. and time absolutely did not make those things "normal"

> You're really trying to normalize it hard

That's an ... interesting ... interpretation.

All I'm saying, is that "it is what it is."

Regardless of what we think of it, it's coming. It's likely that no one actually knows what things will look like; just a few years down the road.

The only surety that we have, is that it's coming; whether or not we believe in it.

Acceptance is the last -but most important- stage.

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Post by ShinyLeftPad »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #137
ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're really trying to normalize it hard... But the reality is it's maybe true in some specific niche communities and bubbles. any given time in history different weird things were normal in small communities and bubbles. and time absolutely did not make those things "normal"

> You're really trying to normalize it hard That's an ... interesting ... interpretation. All I'm saying, is that "it is what it is." Regardless of what we think of it, it's coming. It's likely that no one actually knows what things will look like; just a few years down the road. The only surety that we have, is that it's coming; whether or not we believe in it. Acceptance is the last -but most important- stage.

and it is how?

you replied to satire/dystopian fiction. it is by definition not what it is. and it doesn't have to be.

by saying oh it's inevitable believe me, "the only surety that we have" (casually inserting we like everyone is the same on that) etc. you are trying to normalize it, painting anyone not on board as not part of "us", outcast, old fashioned and anti progress.

often when people do this sort of attempt at manipulation they have vested interest. because if public opinion shifts sufficiently anti chatbots etc, which it is doing currently, and the government responds like a democracy would (or people take matters into their own hands), they lose actual money.

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #138
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You're really trying to normalize it hard That's an ... interesting ... interpretation. All I'm saying, is that "it is what it is." Regardless of what we think of it, it's coming. It's likely that no one actually knows what things will look like; just a few years down the road. The only surety that we have, is that it's coming; whether or not we believe in it. Acceptance is the last -but most important- stage.

and it is how? you replied to satire/dystopian fiction. it is by definition not what it is. and it doesn't have to be. by saying oh it's inevitable believe me, "the only surety that we have" (casually inserting we like everyone is the same on that) etc. you are trying to normalize it, painting anyone not on board as not part of "us", outcast, old fashioned and anti progress. often when people do this sort of attempt…

Have a great day!

Re: I Wasn't Allowed Prompting ChatGPT During My Chalk Talk: This Is Discrimination (2025)

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Post by [deleted] »

Dependance wrote: post #16
mrgoldenbrown wrote: post #11

This is satire.

Honest question : does it need to be said ? It's like the /s sign. Can some people not, for themselves, realize that this text is meant as a more or less a joke ? And before you ask, yeah, I am aware some of the people are on the spectrum, but still... Is humor that hard to grasp on the internet ?

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