But RAM prices skyrocketed!
The AI companies owe use money. As does e. g. NVIDIA for becoming a cartel.
Performance per dollar is getting faster and cheaper
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#72(in a high-pitched, pathetic regency-era British orphan voice) Please sir, may I have some compute as well?
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#73Earlier quoted context omitted.
You say they have a large impact, but having lived somewhere with some of the largest data centers- they very much don't. At least not more so then any other structure that paves over greenery. love to debate actual discission points. pull up "datacenter dfw" on google maps for mine.
The people having glass literally break from the vibrations would probably disagree with your opinion https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?is=sg09k66iutKFIFSo Yet here we are, discussing "data center" as if they're standardized and of similar (nose) isolation. There are no meaningful regulations in building them, and they can be incredibly polluting. So your experience with a potentially well isolated one is sadly not the no…
The fact that people have lived and worked near data centres for decades and didn't even know what the term meant - let alone be adversely impacted by them - probably indicates they're broadly an non issue. All of a sudden out of nowhere, AI and data centres got intermingled by the media and now people seem to have big issues with them.
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#74Earlier quoted context omitted.
The people having glass literally break from the vibrations would probably disagree with your opinion https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?is=sg09k66iutKFIFSo Yet here we are, discussing "data center" as if they're standardized and of similar (nose) isolation. There are no meaningful regulations in building them, and they can be incredibly polluting. So your experience with a potentially well isolated one is sadly not the no…
The fact that people have lived and worked near data centres for decades and didn't even know what the term meant - let alone be adversely impacted by them - probably indicates they're broadly an non issue. All of a sudden out of nowhere, AI and data centres got intermingled by the media and now people seem to have big issues with them.
Though, the new data centers are not entirely the same. Increasing use of onsite gas turbines to generate power instead of using grid power changes their noise+air pollution profile.
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#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
The people having glass literally break from the vibrations would probably disagree with your opinion https://youtu.be/_bP80DEAbuo?is=sg09k66iutKFIFSo Yet here we are, discussing "data center" as if they're standardized and of similar (nose) isolation. There are no meaningful regulations in building them, and they can be incredibly polluting. So your experience with a potentially well isolated one is sadly not the no…
The fact that people have lived and worked near data centres for decades and didn't even know what the term meant - let alone be adversely impacted by them - probably indicates they're broadly an non issue. All of a sudden out of nowhere, AI and data centres got intermingled by the media and now people seem to have big issues with them.
Sounds exactly like the stories with 5G cell towers. Almost no problems with GSM and then suddenly 5G is big issue.
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#76Earlier quoted context omitted.
from memory, it is like 96-98% of the accuracy.
And that 2%-4% makes all the difference.
Yes, it's like saying "we took off a big chunk of his brain but look! He can still breathe autonomously, swallow food and walk almost straight, which is like 95% of what he did before!"
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#77What is a knee, in performance talk?
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#78What is a knee, in performance talk?
I used to be high-performance like you, then I took an arrow to the knee?
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#79What is a knee, in performance talk?
A place where the slope/derivative/incremental-performance-per-price changes.
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#80Can you folks add performance per watt as a metric to these comparisons, I honestly want to understand where AMD fits in the stack in terms of actual performance to dollars. I have had talks with companies wanting to build data centers outside of US and find it hard to source anything Nvidia in sufficient capacity and scale. If AMD is competitive performance per watt and roughly reliable in terms of software support…
A DGX B200 costs like ~$0.5 M and uses around 14 kW. If you plan to run it straight for 8 years 100% max usage thats around 1 GWhr. A gigawatt hour is a lot of energy but its not that much compared to the price of the actual machine. In Germany for example with its expensive energy thats about €100k worth, which spread over 8 years is pretty minor compared to the up front half mill. The real issue with high power con…
Interesting so it’s supply chain and then you need to calculate how long it can be utilized and for how much you can sell it.
Would love more calculations on that