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Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by fluoridation »

kibibu wrote: post #11
andai wrote: post #8

If I've got this right: programming these days -- especially niche areas -- meshes poorly with Wikipedia's guidelines on reliable sources and notability, which were designed mostly with traditional media in mind. e.g. a company saying they use a language is not considered a good source because it's a primary source? Not sure if I'm getting that part right. The most interesting part to me: Wikipedia has a bunch of lan…

I genuinely don't think Malbolge, for example, warrants a Wikipedia page if Odin doesn't

Malbolge is basically a meme, and Wikipedia does have articles for memes. Speaking for myself, I have heard about Malbolge, and not about Odin.

Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by cindyllm »

brooke2k wrote: post #19

The great thing about Wikipedia is that anyone can participate. Anyone can advocate for change, such as changing the rules around notability. But if you want to have enough influence to effectively advocate for changing a rule as impactful as the site-wide notability guidelines, then you'd likely want to spend quite a while volunteering, integrating yourself into the community, and learning a lot about how and why th…

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Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by bobbytheblkbear »

I'll just say the obvious:

Wikipedia admins get it wrong more often than they get it right, and the general process for Wikipedia is obtuse, ignorant, and generally backward, with most of the favor given towards "people with old accounts" as opposed to actual knowledge.

It's beyond simple to get new editors banned for simply creating edits others don't like, no matter what the veracity is.

The only reason it's good for things like science is that it's generally hard for the kind of lowIQ populace their older accounts and admins have to argue about definitive numbers. But I am sure if they could they'd say things like "Hydrogen doesn't actually always have 1 electron", and so on.

Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by bawolff »

> If you are familiar with Odin, one of the most popular "C competitor" languages, this might sound a little bit insane to say out loud

Its hard to believe someone actually said this with a straight face.

I tend to lean more inclusionist, but there is no world where odin is one of the most popular c competitor languages.

Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by bobbytheblkbear »

dibujaron wrote: post #5

This article makes Odin sound extremely well-known. I've never heard of it before, and I feel like I keep up with programming topics pretty diligently. Admittedly I don't work at the systems programming layer, but I've definitely heard plenty about Rust and c++ topics. Curious if others feel similarly, or maybe I just happened to miss it?

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Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by jibal »

dibujaron wrote: post #5

This article makes Odin sound extremely well-known. I've never heard of it before, and I feel like I keep up with programming topics pretty diligently. Admittedly I don't work at the systems programming layer, but I've definitely heard plenty about Rust and c++ topics. Curious if others feel similarly, or maybe I just happened to miss it?

Odin is extremely well known to every human being who keeps up on programming language development, along with Zig, Nim, D, Jai, V, Crystal, Carbon, and others. "programming topics" isn't relevant.

Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by woodruffw »

recursivecaveat wrote: post #14
dibujaron wrote: post #5

This article makes Odin sound extremely well-known. I've never heard of it before, and I feel like I keep up with programming topics pretty diligently. Admittedly I don't work at the systems programming layer, but I've definitely heard plenty about Rust and c++ topics. Curious if others feel similarly, or maybe I just happened to miss it?

I would consider it extremely obscure overall. A large majority of programmers would not be aware of its existence. At the same time there are clearly much less popular languages with articles so it is kindof weird to push to delete. (eg: random scheme implementation w/ no releases in 20 years https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SISC ) I would say that wikipedia broadly favors programming languages as far as notability. Li…

This is an argument for deleting those non-notable articles as well, not retaining other non-notable articles.

Re: Odin, Wikipedia and engagement farming

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Post by bawolff »

bobbytheblkbear wrote: post #25

I'll just say the obvious: Wikipedia admins get it wrong more often than they get it right, and the general process for Wikipedia is obtuse, ignorant, and generally backward, with most of the favor given towards "people with old accounts" as opposed to actual knowledge. It's beyond simple to get new editors banned for simply creating edits others don't like , no matter what the veracity is. The only reason it's good…

> edits others don't like, no matter what the veracity is.

Wikipedia bans people for their behaviour, not for being right or wrong. So you are correct that veracity is irrelavent.

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