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The Demoralization of the White-Collar Worker

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Re: The Demoralization of the White-Collar Worker

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This is a very thorough overview, well put together.

As someone who was hired into manufacturing just before the jobs collapse detailed here, I have vivid memories of the way things were. Being employed felt valuable. Acquiring skill felt respected and rewarded. Then, still young, I myself contributed to the shift of this work out of the country, helping develop software that supported exchanging files with India and helping train Chinese management on our workflows.

I feel privileged to be one of the few of my generation who experienced first hand what a previous generation took for granted. But I feel like a Cassandra sometimes trying to tell peers, Yes, the work situation in America really could be so much better.

Re: The Demoralization of the White-Collar Worker

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Reminder (which the article mentions only once in the context of worker productivity and pay growth): https://ethanmarcotte.com/books/you-deserve-a-tech-union/

I think it would have to be more of a professional organization, and realistically that would require a lot more rigor and discipline in our profession. Maybe to start with, model something like LOPSA[0].

0. https://lopsa.org

Re: The Demoralization of the White-Collar Worker

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> I had to ask myself why I can’t afford a nice home in a major city.

> Owning a home is the primary mechanism through which ordinary people build wealth.

That alone is a direct answer. Their wealth building is your failure. Their successful investments priced you out.

Re: The Demoralization of the White-Collar Worker

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Reminiscent of the Vibecession analysis done by Scott Alexander a few months ago: https://open.substack.com/pub/astralcodexten/p/vibecession-m... - may be good supplemental reading

And of course the evergreen Housing Theory of Everything https://worksinprogress.co/issue/the-housing-theory-of-every...

Re: The Demoralization of the White-Collar Worker

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It’s not like Americans were invaded and forced to accept this. They repeatedly voted for it. Obama tried to work on healthcare, then had the largest electoral losses since Eisenhower, all up and down the ballot. Instead they voted for the real-estate billionaire. Trump has zero healthcare during a major pandemic - crickets. This country doesn’t want anything labeled “socialism”, and will hurt itself repeatedly to prove it. Last time it took a Great Depression to change their minds.

Re: The Demoralization of the White-Collar Worker

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> I had to ask myself why I can’t afford a nice home in a major city. > Owning a home is the primary mechanism through which ordinary people build wealth. That alone is a direct answer. Their wealth building is your failure. Their successful investments priced you out.

“Houses are for living, not for speculation.”

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houses_are_for_living,_not_for...

Re: The Demoralization of the White-Collar Worker

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I worked as consultant at a major west coast-based health insurer in 1993. A family plan, that is, two adults plus any number of children, was $300/month; a figure that wasn't far off from the cost of a studio or 1 BR apartment at that time anywhere but the most expensive coastal cities.

Today, that family plan, even as a HMO, can easily be $3000/month. I would guess that mythical apartment is maybe $1200/month now.

So what happened Health Care? how has the caregiver:administrator ratio changed in the past 30+ years? You've performed about 3x worse than Real Estate in terms of value, yet you're not quite as visible and complained-about because you hide behind employment. Hmmm.

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