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US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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A navy base on the contested straight of hormuz is always going to be a priority target. Militaries have pre existing contingency plans. Typically military bases don't move very fast.

A decade to realise that a military base has been resized and there is an obvious school on what used to be a part of the same property isn't fast.

It's not like iran has a public list of military facilities and what theyre used for.

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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Did our demand for social media apps suddenly blow up? Because our DC demand seems to be blowing up.

I'm curious how the HN zeitgeist hates datacenters so ferociously yet every third article posted to the front page is 800 comments beating off to a new Claude feature. It's mind-boggling.

You have fallen victim to the Two Guys Fallacy.

In general, if you are observing a community, and you see what looks like a contradiction like this, almost every time what you're actually seeing is Two Guys: in this case, one portion of the HN userbase that hates datacenters, and another portion that has to change their underwear every time Anthropic puts out new release notes.

Very few communities like HN are genuinely monolithic, and very few people are going to hold such contradictory beliefs within the same individual.

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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> employment opportunities the 5-7 people they employ during normal operation. High skilled engineers get flown in for setup and major changes/operations. They add little local economic value.

They can be taxed. There should be a point where the price is right for the community hosting.

The vast majority of tax revenue is calculated where the headquarters are located, not where the datacenter is located.

I've seen multiple stories already talking about how these installations are almost universally net-negative for the locales they're built in.

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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I'm curious how the HN zeitgeist hates datacenters so ferociously yet every third article posted to the front page is 800 comments beating off to a new Claude feature. It's mind-boggling.

You have fallen victim to the Two Guys Fallacy. In general, if you are observing a community, and you see what looks like a contradiction like this, almost every time what you're actually seeing is Two Guys: in this case, one portion of the HN userbase that hates datacenters, and another portion that has to change their underwear every time Anthropic puts out new release notes. Very few communities like HN are genuin…

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Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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The honeymoon is over. Among regular citizens, gamers and some groups of tech, many are now incensed by the cost of memory, I was once mildly enthusiastic about AI but now not so much.

Demand crunches spur supply chain capacity improvements when the market is left alone from populist interventions.

Ahh the "free market" fable. Like any fable it is a cute story. It is also bullshit.

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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The mass data center build out is only partly driven by AI. There is a big cloud capacity crunch across the big providers, has been for a while and it is getting worse.

There is no cloud capacity crunch, what a bunch of hog wash. What we've mostly got are some of the most inefficient systems on the planet where consumers are also building some of the most inefficient projects on top of it. There is no real effort being put towards maximizing the amount of resources you can get out of hardware, the game for the entire duration of our industry has been throwing more money to buy more…

That's certainly another way of looking at it.

But the ground truth is: Cloud customers want to deploy more resources, and they can't build data centers and fill them with hardware fast enough to meet that demand. Cloud customers are fighting for who gets to the front of the line to deploy more stuff. That part is undeniable.

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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The honeymoon is over. Among regular citizens, gamers and some groups of tech, many are now incensed by the cost of memory, I was once mildly enthusiastic about AI but now not so much.

Once the demand from AI companies lets up there will be some bangin' deals

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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I'm curious how the HN zeitgeist hates datacenters so ferociously yet every third article posted to the front page is 800 comments beating off to a new Claude feature. It's mind-boggling.

Half the traffic on this site are real, intelligent humans (among whom opinion is split different ways on the AI topic), a quarter of the traffic is propagandists trying to destroy western tech/infrastructure/society (notice how China apparently doesn't have to stop AI development or datacenter development, only the West does), and the remaining quarter is real humans who have been utterly consumed by the previously…

> a quarter of the traffic is propagandists trying to destroy western tech/infrastructure/society

The most effective enemy propaganda is called "sticker shock". When the sticker goes up in a week, it's double propaganda. I'm fully onboard with the idea of stopping the propaganda producers from continuing to do it.

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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Simply change the pricing so that the datacenters pay a higher rate to subsidize everyone else. The handwriting was on the wall with this issue since the O'Bama administration: he had been convinced that putting all health care records in one central repository i.e. server famrs, and then unleash AI-systems on all that data, would come up with a cure for cancer. And at that time, there was an electricity shortage pro…

Here they have mandated that data centers pay any cost associated with servicing them, as well as signing a contract and having a bond, should they go insolvent. As well, excess tax revenue from them is going to be used to credit homestead tax bills.
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