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US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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The honeymoon is over. Among regular citizens, gamers and some groups of tech, many are now incensed by the cost of memory, I was once mildly enthusiastic about AI but now not so much.

Demand crunches spur supply chain capacity improvements when the market is left alone from populist interventions.

Do you regard delusional billionaire circular funding as populist intervention too?

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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The honeymoon is over. Among regular citizens, gamers and some groups of tech, many are now incensed by the cost of memory, I was once mildly enthusiastic about AI but now not so much.

Demand crunches spur supply chain capacity improvements when the market is left alone from populist interventions.

Sounds like a certainty stated like that. So not like toilet paper during covid?

what if the market was hard to enter?

What if the inputs aren't available?

What if the costs of the inputs rises?

What if the capital for expansion isn't available?

What if the manufacturers don't expect demand to persist?

What if there's a shortage of skilled labour?

What if it takes years to expand supply?

What if there wasn't effective competition?

I'm not sure it's as certain as you seem to claim.

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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I believe framing this as people being against "data centers" is missing the target. Data centers have existed for decades, ever since business started using computers. What people really have an issue with is data centers designed for AI, using far more power than prior data centers. Honestly, I think we should just ban "AI" of all forms and get it over with. Rip the bandage off before the wound underneath turns int…

> before the wound underneath turns into gangrene

Too late. The vampires have tasted blood and they will not be stopped.

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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I believe framing this as people being against "data centers" is missing the target. Data centers have existed for decades, ever since business started using computers. What people really have an issue with is data centers designed for AI, using far more power than prior data centers. Honestly, I think we should just ban "AI" of all forms and get it over with. Rip the bandage off before the wound underneath turns int…

> before the wound underneath turns into gangrene Too late. The vampires have tasted blood and they will not be stopped.

So we just need to figure out what, exactly, is their garlic. We need to discover their silver dagger

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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The school used to be a military base office. Acting on stale data is common for both humans and ML models.

And a wall between the two was built a decade ago. Considering it was hit on day one, obviously it was considered an important target, which makes it inexcusable that nobody checked it in a decade. https://giftarticle.ft.com/giftarticle/actions/redeem/4314de...

A navy base on the contested straight of hormuz is always going to be a priority target. Militaries have pre existing contingency plans. Typically military bases don't move very fast.

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it were true that data centers are building "American dynamism" and China wants to suppress that, surely they would be building data centers the way they build trains. They're not. And that should make you go hmmm.

The Chinese are using AI in a fundamentally different way from the west.

I see the inscrutable Chinese have left you without any specifics.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This latest round of projects are often located within or next to communities too, where most pre-AI projects were more out of the way, increasing immediately visible impact dramatically via noise and air and water pollution.

I've been flagging nearly every HN post that has anything to do with AI, even negative. The quicker we get "AI" out of our zeitgeist, the better. AI isn't even a solid term, the term "artificial intelligence" is almost 100 years old at this point, and the definition has changed so many times that it's a useless term. ELIZA was "AI". But it didn't have the same level of societal damage. HAL 9000 was "AI". Games have "…

Hacker news Sans Ai https://elijahpotter.dev/hnsansai

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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The honeymoon is over. Among regular citizens, gamers and some groups of tech, many are now incensed by the cost of memory, I was once mildly enthusiastic about AI but now not so much.

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> They're venting their anger on social media apps

"Heh. Gotcha." https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/ >

Re: US residents angry datacenters 'shoved down our throats' are recalling officials

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The honeymoon is over. Among regular citizens, gamers and some groups of tech, many are now incensed by the cost of memory, I was once mildly enthusiastic about AI but now not so much.

Demand crunches spur supply chain capacity improvements when the market is left alone from populist interventions.

With consumer brands (e.g., Crucial) being shuttered in the wake of AI companies buying up all available RAM production capacity, it's difficult to imagine consumer RAM production even returning to normal anytime soon.

It seems all but assured that it will require the AI bubble to burst plus several years to return to normalcy, particularly as RAM manufacturers have also been repeatedly caught price fixing.

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