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Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

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The first time I built a freestanding bookshelf, I put a lot of effort into making the feet level and the back straight and at a right angle to the feet. Once I put it up against the wall I'd built it for, I realized I'd solved completely different problem than the problem I really had. I needed crooked bookshelf, since the wall was totally tilted. In the end I screwed some wall shelves in and called it good enough.

Hah, yeah same. I grew up in a house built with hand tools sometime around 1910 (family bought it from an old lady whose father built it), not a single corner was square (though things were generally good vertically by some miracle), but it wasn’t noticeable until whenever were doing major work. Also learned that lath and plaster needs some special consideration when screwing/nailing things for securement, as the lat…

Lathe and plaster is my actual arch enemy. Both my parents and my in-laws have it in their houses, and I'm the go to handy man.

Hate hate hate hate hate

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

#142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there has been a lot of evolution forcing us to focus on the right kinds of detail.

It's actually market forces. Evolution has almost zero to do with it. It's the past few thousand years where the vast majority of useful abstractions/tools/puzzle pieces have been built that enable any one person to do a lot without knowing so much.

Markets and evolution are both knowledge processes. I think you would enjoy Donald Campbell's essay on evolutionary epistemology from 'The Philosophy of Karl Popper'.

Parent's comment is observing a prerequisite to markets, humans are the only animal with global markets and biological selection happened to produce the kind of creature that can stabilise around markets.

It's also selection that produced the current form of markets themselves. The world could have been otherwise; our current markets are contingent selection products, not analytically necessary institutions, and not guaranteed to be the uniquely best mechanisms for producing abstractions and tools.

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

#143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there has been a lot of evolution forcing us to focus on the right kinds of detail.

It's actually market forces. Evolution has almost zero to do with it. It's the past few thousand years where the vast majority of useful abstractions/tools/puzzle pieces have been built that enable any one person to do a lot without knowing so much.

Selection pressure in general. It's not market forces that decide military viability of one empire over another but it's not biological evolution either.

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

#144
post #20

Reality does not have amount of details, it is infinite in all directions. Its only that we perceived certain amount of details, some more some less. One can spend their whole life mastering a single aspect and there always will be room to improve.

> Reality does not have amount of details, it is infinite in all directions.

[citation needed]

It's unknowable whether this is true.

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

#145
post #111

So how do you trace the boards? I am assuming that you put the board at the correct angle on the floor, let it go over the upper entry floor, use a ruler to extend the line of the wall over to the board, trace that, cut it, then reverse the process but this time the part you just cut can go on the floor which will produce the correct angle on the wall?

I use a cad program (like sketchup) to give me the cut points for the stringer (boards) on the horizontal (step 7 goes from 58.75" to 67.125"). You then use a carpenter square and they make little brass screws you can screw on at the correct rise and run. Then you replicate that triangle down the stringer, pull out a circular saw and start cutting (carefully)!

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

#146

Hanging a curtain rail that is centered both vertically and horizontally between the window and the ceiling, and it is leveled (with a bubble level), while in a ladder. Mark and then drill. It is harder than it seems at first. Maybe I'm just too a computer guy.

Especially when ceiling drywall often is not perfectly straight (the line between wall and ceiling often has dips)

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My father, (who by profession was a CA with MBA, but is exceptionally handy) has regularly reminded me that walls/floors and ceilings are pretty much never straight and level, and over here they're brick and mortar, not wood. This must be a well-known fact to all trades people who work on cupboards, tiling, door mounting, etc. But when you understand this, then you realize that everything is built to be forgiving of…

As I got a downvote I can only assume my tone came across as “how could you not know this?”, but my feeling when I wrote this was that it’s a bit of a funny and interesting anecdote the parent wrote and I’ve been similarly frustrated with how I easily make mistakes with seemingly simple tasks such as putting up a shelf, to which I have to laugh at myself about when thinking about it many years later. I definitely pre…

Gave an upvote to compensate :)

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

#148

The first time I built a freestanding bookshelf, I put a lot of effort into making the feet level and the back straight and at a right angle to the feet. Once I put it up against the wall I'd built it for, I realized I'd solved completely different problem than the problem I really had. I needed crooked bookshelf, since the wall was totally tilted. In the end I screwed some wall shelves in and called it good enough.

A related thing that took me a while to accept when I started woodworking is that wood moves, a lot. If you built the bookshelf in wood, it will be expanding, contracting and shifting over time with temperature and humidity variation throughout the day and season. And asymmetrically depending on the grain. The straight right angles won't stay that way, and it's better to design such that they change in complementary…

Depending on what they’re doing, good finish carpenters will definitely take a bunch of moisture readings on a slab of wood before working on it.

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

#149
post #20

Reality does not have amount of details, it is infinite in all directions. Its only that we perceived certain amount of details, some more some less. One can spend their whole life mastering a single aspect and there always will be room to improve.

> Reality does not have amount of details, it is infinite in all directions. [citation needed] It's unknowable whether this is true.

It's unknowable through current means of science. There are ways to experience that, I did some of them so I'm talking from my experience. And no, I can not prove it, if it was provable like that it would be already done.

Re: Reality has a surprising amount of detail (2017)

#150
post #83
post #20

Reality does not have amount of details, it is infinite in all directions. Its only that we perceived certain amount of details, some more some less. One can spend their whole life mastering a single aspect and there always will be room to improve.

The statement refers to human perception of reality.

Even human perception is able to peek into the infinite nature of things, not the intellect though, the intellect can only work with limited and defined "things".
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