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ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Recommendation

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Re: ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Recommendation

#141

Good luck with that. What they have just "approved" is the IP-equivalent of opening every single piece of mail. That is, wiretapping.

I'm not sure what you're getting at, but network operators have been doing this for years.

Even the ones that say they don't do it, I will bet you can go and find a box somewhere on their network running Snort that does DPI.

Re: ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Recommendation

#142

Historically the ITU was a forum through which Ma Bell marketed her switching equipment to national phone companies outside North America. Presumably this is more of the same, except Ma Bell was divested of most equipment manufacturing and it's all IP now so other companies (USA, Japan, Germany, with a few others) are driving. The capacity for spying on and shaping the internet use of customers/subjects is appealing…

I do find that description a bit odd, since all the early ITU specifications were made mostly by Europeean vendors, and were incompatible with the American versions of protocols, etc.

Anyway - a lot of these specs are made by the very researchers of the various vendors that you talk about - ITU is just a forum they use to collaborate.

Re: ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Recommendation

#143

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> Your comments reflect all the certitude of someone who has never seen real evil up close Real evil? Like Santa Clause and Heaven and God and Angels and Fairies? I did not say that this system is worse than previous ones and I do not see how that ties into my argument at all. I was making a judgement on what currently exists - and it sucks. > If the system was as broken as you claim, I seriously doubt we'd have the…

Kettle: "Hey Pot! You're black!" The US isn't perfect, but there is no other place in the world I'd rather live. For all our faults, people still bang on the doors to get in. I'd put our record up against that of any other nation in the world. ANY nation. Look hard enough at everyone else and you'll find all the reason you need to hate their countries too.

Everybody is trying to get citizenship in the west because the west has destroyed half of the world. Read about why your country (and the west in general) is so rich in the first place. Read about why places like the DRC and Latin American countries are so poor and conflicted. All of this prosperity is built on the blood, sweat and tears of countless people. All empires are the same - rotten at the core. So it was with Stalin's Russia and Britain's empire and Hitler's Germany and Spain's empire and France's empire and I could go on and on.

So, sure, everything's peachy if you just keep your eyes on your house. As soon as you start to look around you'll find that your smile will drop through the floor.

Re: ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Recommendation

#144

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We should also excommunicate any people who do work with evil from our circle as best we can so they can't grow as well in their profession. And by doing that, you ensure they will continue to "work with evil systems" because they will never be able to change jobs.

LOL. I'm assuming you're the authority on what constitutes "evil" right? You are essentially advocating a fascist viewpoint: either you agree with us , or we crush you.

You do realize that the first line of my comment was a quote from the parent?

Re: ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Recommendation

#145
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The hardest thing for me to understand is how every telco can complain of congestion, but they're perfectly willing to introduce unnecessary overhead for DPI. This is not a good day, not a good day at all.

Monitoring systems are usually extra boxes that you place as either pass-through on the cables, or you tap the signals with attenuators on electric cables, or you bend the fiber enough to tap about 10% light off them, enoufg to regenerate the signal. Other solutions such as just using mirror ports on an ethernet switch exists as well.

This only costs money, not bandwidth.

Re: ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Recommendation

#146

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Why is it that technology is always a panacea when its benefits are positive but value-neutral when its benefits are negative?

Probably because almost any tool ever created can do amazing things in the right hands and commit horrible atrocities in the wrong hands? And usually the positive outweighs the negative?

Like nuclear weapons? Nerve gas? Anthrax?

Re: ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Recommendation

#147

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LOL. I'm assuming you're the authority on what constitutes "evil" right? You are essentially advocating a fascist viewpoint: either you agree with us , or we crush you.

You do realize that the first line of my comment was a quote from the parent?

Sorry. My response was to the parent.

Re: ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Recommendation

#148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kettle: "Hey Pot! You're black!" The US isn't perfect, but there is no other place in the world I'd rather live. For all our faults, people still bang on the doors to get in. I'd put our record up against that of any other nation in the world. ANY nation. Look hard enough at everyone else and you'll find all the reason you need to hate their countries too.

Everybody is trying to get citizenship in the west because the west has destroyed half of the world. Read about why your country (and the west in general) is so rich in the first place. Read about why places like the DRC and Latin American countries are so poor and conflicted. All of this prosperity is built on the blood, sweat and tears of countless people. All empires are the same - rotten at the core. So it was wi…

You're talking to someone who has parents from Central America and Germany. Believe me when I say that there is so much blame to go around, it's unlikely that any unbiased reading of history would place it SOLELY at the hands of the west.

I'm well acquainted with the history of the world and my point still stands: the oppression of the "other" is a HUMAN problem, not a USA/West problem. As long as there are people, there will be these kinds of problems.

Tell me what country you live in and I'll list all the reasons why you are not the USA.

Your viewpoint isn't informed or relevant.

Re: ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Recommendation

#149
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I'd rather have good people involved in "evil" systems, to at least try to balance them, than have evil people involved in "evil" systems where there's nothing but external agencies to provide balance. And whatever the system is I'd much rather have competent people working on it.

Couldn't disagree more. Every good person should avoid working with evil systems. We should also excommunicate any people who do work with evil from our circle as best we can so they can't grow as well in their profession.

LOL. I'm assuming you're the authority on what constitutes "evil" right?

You are essentially advocating a fascist viewpoint: either you agree with us, or we crush you.

Re: ITU Approves Deep Packet Inspection Recommendation

#150

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There are so very, very few Dangerous People, and so many, many non-dangerous people. The latter class also includes people with at least some money, so en masse, the non-dangerous people constitute a large amount of money. I reckon that an overwhelming majority of the wiretaps are to make money, rather than to catch Dangerous People, statistically speaking.

A lot of the reasoning behind extending surveillance stems from the need to find the people who enable the dangerous people to do dangerous things. One example: when I got robbed a couple years back (an armed guy stole my laptop), I had the opportunity to discuss the strategies with the detective in charge of my case. A lot of resources were devoted to catch the guy with the gun, but very little to catching the perso…

Not too be too difficult, because I'm actually interested in whatever rationale behind extended surveillance exists, but can you cite something official for me to read about this "reasoning"? Because it seems to me that much of the rationale for ridiculous amounts of surveillance is "Hey! Terrorists!" That's certainly what's behind the War on The Unexpected, as manifested by the TSA and DHS.
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