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Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by jesse_dot_id »

ndriscoll wrote: post #322
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am both here, and on Reddit, and also on YouTube. I can be in many places at the same time because this is all made of light and there are lots of interesting places to go. I'll probably find myself on Reels before too long. I'm not on PeerTube because I cannot find content that is interesting on PeerTube, which again is the crux of my argument. https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube > PeerTube is a free, decentral…

You are not "on peertube" because there's no such thing as a peertube to be on. What I'm trying to convey is that your words literally don't make sense. There is no "everybody else" for the UX to suck for. You're complaining that it doesn't try to be the opposite of what it is. If you're interested in Debian, you go to Debian's peertube which is part of Debian's website, where the Debian foundation hosts their videos…

You're being pedantic while also just kind of continuing to make my point for me because you're describing a regressive user experience over and over again. The Internet at large has evolved beyond forums and IRC for a reason.

Users have become used to having quick and easy access to a lake of content. When I go to PeerTube's website, I should see content first, and if I'm a creator, I want a guarantee that my content isn't going to suddenly disappear. YouTube can make these guarantees. BlueSky is the only such federated alternative that has gained any degree of traction with normal users because they ripped off the UX of Twitter verbatim.

If you're on episcodon.net and you want your friends and colleagues to join you there, what does that look like? Your answer invariably resides at the end of a labyrinth of shit UX, including the legwork you have to do first to know wtf episcodon.net even is.

People use GMail because it makes email easy to use and there is an implicit guarantee that the emails they have access to today will be there in 10 years because there are an army of engineers being paid to maintain the service. The UX is good and that's why it's popular.

To advertise yourself as an alternative to a popular social media platform, you must address why those platforms are popular in the first place or you are not competitive as a default state.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by ndriscoll »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #341
ndriscoll wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are not "on peertube" because there's no such thing as a peertube to be on. What I'm trying to convey is that your words literally don't make sense. There is no "everybody else" for the UX to suck for. You're complaining that it doesn't try to be the opposite of what it is. If you're interested in Debian, you go to Debian's peertube which is part of Debian's website, where the Debian foundation hosts their videos…

You're being pedantic while also just kind of continuing to make my point for me because you're describing a regressive user experience over and over again. The Internet at large has evolved beyond forums and IRC for a reason. Users have become used to having quick and easy access to a lake of content. When I go to PeerTube's website, I should see content first, and if I'm a creator, I want a guarantee that my conten…

> Users have become used to having quick and easy access to a lake of content. When I go to PeerTube's website, I should see content first,

Peertube's website is not for consumers. It is for publishers. They're quite clear about that when they advertise that you can run your own platform. Again, you are basically complaining that nginx.org doesn't list some cool websites to get started browsing the WWW (except peertube even goes so far as to actually even point to a couple instances).

It's not a regression if your goal is not "create content"/"find and consume content". Like if you actually have interests, and e.g. are a Blender user, and you already visit blender.org for news about the Blender project, then it makes sense that they might say "here are some videos about our project". And of course they offer RSS so you can use your preferred subscription software.

> if I'm a creator, I want a guarantee that my content isn't going to suddenly disappear.

Then install peertube and post your videos? This is what various organizations that don't want their information to disappear like Debian or Blender have done.

> shit UX, including the legwork you have to do first to know wtf episcodon.net even is.

So your criticism is that it's not literally the current monopoly that everyone already knows.

What do you even mean "join you there"? Sharing a peertube video is the same as sharing a youtube video: you select the address, copy, and paste into a message. There's no commitment. You either just... click a link and watch a video, or if you also want to post, you put in your email/password to sign up. I have hundreds of saved logins in my browser, including Google/youtube (who are more onerous and require e.g. a phone number to sign up, or back in the day, required an invite). Peertube is somehow uniquely shit for... not literally being Google?

Is there an actual criticism here that isn't "videos aren't literally recommended on youtube and I'm not literally already logged in via youtube and subscriptions aren't literally managed within youtube"?

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by NobodyNada »

TFNA wrote: post #335
NobodyNada wrote: post #224

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> "The Real Reason Music is Getting Worse" As a musician myself, and as someone who enjoys watching music and music theory content on YouTube, I can't stand watching Rick Beato because of stuff like this. There certainly are valid criticisms to be made against the music industry, but those videos are like 90% ridiculous cherry-picked comparisons and vague, superficial justifications. It's low-quality nostalgia-driven…

Beato doesn't do much hour-long unscripted talking to the camera. Those videos are typically only about 10 minutes long. In any event, Rick Beato seems like a normal human being, albeit a somewhat goofy dad-rock oldie. 12Tone comes across as an aspie weirdo. I'd rather have more of the former.

> Beato doesn't do much hour-long unscripted talking to the camera. Those videos are typically only about 10 minutes long.

The videos are heavily edited with many cuts. So, I'd guess the production process is "have him talk for an hour, then edit it down to a 10 minute YouTube video".

> In any event, Rick Beato seems like a normal human being, albeit a somewhat goofy dad-rock oldie. 12Tone comes across as an aspie weirdo. I'd rather have more of the former.

And that's...kind of the point I'm making? The amount of effort put into the content of Beato's videos is quite low, with probably a couple hours at most of time put into research, coming up with talking points, and recording. But a lot of effort is spent on production, in order to make content that feels relatable and punchy and palatable to a mass market. It's junk food, and junk food sells well.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by ndriscoll »

ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #340
ndriscoll wrote: post #337

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My assertion is that he's not actively seeking work people put in; he's actively seeking people . The sociopathic thing is exactly reducing people, interests, and interactions into something transactional like this. He's looking for people who don't think that way . So putting things behind paywalls is fine; it makes those people disappear. Upselling remains annoying. It recasts every interaction into a sales pitch.…

> The sociopathic thing is exactly reducing people, interests, and interactions into something transactional like this Saying that people need to have money to survive and that it's great to be getting paid for doing something they love (while making stuff that's free for you to watch) is sociopathic and reducing them? > OP came into a thread about a platform for freely sharing video, not for getting a job in the ent…

Yes, requiring payment to do things you love is sociopathic. It's the same as "keeping score" in a relationship. It will only make you and your counterparty grow to hate each other. This is exactly the "they just want something for free" dynamic. One or both parties thinks the other is an entitled freeloader and one or both thinks the other is an entitled dickhead.

You take payment to do things that are acceptable to you, that the other person needs, and that you are capable of. You don't tie emotions into it. Certainly not strong ones.

Of course they compare themselves to youtube, but via contrast. Specifically, that you control your own platform and (out of the box) there's no ad ecosystem. For people who want to share videos without making people watch ads, that's perfect. The entire point is that it's not youtube. And if you want "not youtube but still full of shills and grifters" there's also Instagram and TikTok. The "monetized 'content'" space is very well served already.

Masochism is turning the things you love into a grind, recontextualizing them such that they're now always carrying a question of economic utility (and therefore optimization) as you do them so that you can no longer just enjoy them for what they are.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by doginasuit »

doginasuit wrote: post #238
djaro wrote: post #41

As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is the lack of monetization. I think people who don't make videos for a living severely underestimate how expensive it is to produce high-quality videos people want to watch. This isn't like writing a tweet or even posting a picture on Instagram. Even a decent 20-minute video can easily take 40 man-hours of high-skilled labor. I have a pretty small…

This is a feature. The golden age of YouTube ended roughly around the time they made monetization more available.

To put a finer point on it, I recognize there are a lot of good creators on YouTube and I'm glad it can support their work. But the overall trend has been for the worse, at least for the target audience I belong to. The change in the average title card tells a story. I believe it would be fantastic if there was a competitor that captured the original motivation.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by zeeZ »

NtG_UK wrote: post #298
Crespyl wrote: post #263

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Isn't it possible for creators to release on YouTube some time after the Nebula release? I know of a couple channels that do that, though it seems like there's a requirement to add a little extra bit on the end for the Nebula side.

I’ve seen both “Nebula first, YouTube later” and “bonus/longer content on Nebula only” as a common pattern. Examples: Adam Neely, Tom Scott

Jet Lag videos release on YT one week after they premiere on Nebula.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by jesse_dot_id »

ndriscoll wrote: post #342
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being pedantic while also just kind of continuing to make my point for me because you're describing a regressive user experience over and over again. The Internet at large has evolved beyond forums and IRC for a reason. Users have become used to having quick and easy access to a lake of content. When I go to PeerTube's website, I should see content first, and if I'm a creator, I want a guarantee that my conten…

> Users have become used to having quick and easy access to a lake of content. When I go to PeerTube's website, I should see content first, Peertube's website is not for consumers. It is for publishers. They're quite clear about that when they advertise that you can run your own platform. Again, you are basically complaining that nginx.org doesn't list some cool websites to get started browsing the WWW (except peertu…

Have a good weekend

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by FloatArtifact »

djaro wrote: post #41

As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is the lack of monetization. I think people who don't make videos for a living severely underestimate how expensive it is to produce high-quality videos people want to watch. This isn't like writing a tweet or even posting a picture on Instagram. Even a decent 20-minute video can easily take 40 man-hours of high-skilled labor. I have a pretty small…

It's simple. If I want to support you, I buy your merchandise.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by ShinyLeftPad »

ndriscoll wrote: post #344
ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The sociopathic thing is exactly reducing people, interests, and interactions into something transactional like this Saying that people need to have money to survive and that it's great to be getting paid for doing something they love (while making stuff that's free for you to watch) is sociopathic and reducing them? > OP came into a thread about a platform for freely sharing video, not for getting a job in the ent…

Yes, requiring payment to do things you love is sociopathic. It's the same as "keeping score" in a relationship. It will only make you and your counterparty grow to hate each other. This is exactly the "they just want something for free" dynamic. One or both parties thinks the other is an entitled freeloader and one or both thinks the other is an entitled dickhead. You take payment to do things that are acceptable to…

> Yes, requiring payment to do things you love is sociopathic

I rest my case.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by ChuckMcM »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #150
ChuckMcM wrote: post #140

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Do you ever think about the fact that if you're making $500 - $1000 per video on average that means Google is making $5000 - $10,000 on each of your videos on average? I mean its working for you, and that's great. I am a student of information asymmetric markets and the whole 'Ad supported' business that Google runs on all of its properties is perhaps the largest one in the current time frame. The point being that bu…

What Google makes is irrelevant to the content prouducer. What matters to them is what they could make on alternate platforms, and the answer is no where near that amount. The slice Google keeps is only relevant to Google and potential competitors who may try to move into the space.

> What Google makes is irrelevant to the content producer.

Is it though? Let's say I weave a basket out of reeds I've spent the weekend picking from the shores of a local creek. I take the basket to a guy who pays me $20 for it. Then that same guy takes it to a swap meet that he runs in town and sells it for $200.

That's just market economics, until you try to set up your own smaller swap meet on the route to this guys market and sell your baskets there, and this guy calls the police and has them shut down your "illegal swap meet." So you go to city hall for a permit and they say, "We don't sell permits unless you can prove that at least 1,000 people will go to your swap meet and every week you'll have at least 10 new products to show." See where I'm going with that?

Asymmetric markets are ones where a single individual or small group of individuals can exercise control over the entire operation of the market. You can think of then as nascent monopolies or perhaps price fixing cartels. In the US, after experiencing the Great Depression, as a result of unregulated markets, the US made it government policy to regulate market abuses as no single participant (or even a set of participants) could hope to compete with the monopoly or cartel.

Information markets, or non-real property markets like video content, did an end run around controls in an effort to capture the value that is associated with a product you can manufacture instances of for pennies, but sell for dollars. Games, Office processing suites, Videos, Musical recordings, can all be "sold" for 100 to 1000x the cost to produce them. It is an area that is under studied in my opinion.

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