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Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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And therefore unable to be criticized by OP?

No? > I think we have the answer to is Zuckerberg a "dimwitted or just evil". It's probably the former

So you think he's not dimwitted? And instead of making an argument you just insulted the OP needlessly?

Let me guess is your argument: "He built a trillion dollar company and you didn't"

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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Meta is in a weird place because Zuck is at this point very far removed from day to day company operations and its overall culture, but still wants to be the one calling all the shots. Plus just like Musk and others he has megalomania and wants to rule the world. And considering his hold of the company no one can really argue with him. You can pretty much see his thought process in real time. "Google and OpenAI have…

> So he throws billions at a few top AI researchers, but they produce nothing of value.

so he spends 1% of yearly revenue on AI talent to catch up? we can't judge if they have produced nothing of value, no? They don't owe the world to open source their work?

Meta has plenty of failings, but taking risks and investing optimistically is not on my list. I guess the sentiment here on HN is probably biased by the addictive nature of its products.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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post #58

Meta is in a weird place because Zuck is at this point very far removed from day to day company operations and its overall culture, but still wants to be the one calling all the shots. Plus just like Musk and others he has megalomania and wants to rule the world. And considering his hold of the company no one can really argue with him. You can pretty much see his thought process in real time. "Google and OpenAI have…

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Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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I wonder when (if ever) the companies realize that demoralizing your workforce (and destroying that sector of the job market) doesn't have only advantages. I know plenty of people that reacted with the desired fear, putting in long hours to avoid layoffs, willingness to accept lower pay because the job market sucks, etc. - but I think there are also plenty of the the mythical 10x engineers that just checked out, stop…

You also kill the people who would have become highly-productive in the future. Their early career is defined by trauma that they learn is the norm, and they spend the rest of it reacting to real and imagined threats based on that norm.

This goes for the economy writ large. There are two generations of Americans who have been taught that housing is unstable, and that so is their paycheck, and that neither political party will lift a finger to help in any meaningful way (i.e., one that sacrifices donor sentiment and dollars). It's like the opposite of postwar Europe and Japan. How do you fix half the country not believing in your economic model?

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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Has Zuckerberg ever deliberately invented a successful product using skill and taste? His original moneymaker was sort of happenstance, a right-place-right-time quick hack that lucked out, got traction, and raised enough money to scale out, BIG, with essentially the same concept that he lucked upon. Instagram and WhatsApp, both absolutely successful beyond imagination, were acquisitions. Same goes for Oculus. Has Zuc…

No, but did any of the other big companies? Google literally found the transformer architecture but had no idea what to do with it.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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Well if it's inevitable, why are we working toward it?

Because we don’t want to be left behind as members of the permanent underclass. Unless you own the god machine or work on improving it you don’t matter.

Why will those groups matter? Why would it need someone working to improve itself?

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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The bigger story here is that the AI agents were not effective. This is a huge admission and explains why Anthropic, OpenAI, and now Microsoft are creating giant teams of FDEs (forward deployed engineers). It ties in with Meta becoming a GPU cloud to sell "excess AI compute". xai and now meta renting excess AI compute and shovel-vendors are trying to keep the embers alive with free tokens in a last-ditch effort.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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post #74

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Didn’t he famously trash folks over 30 years back? He has really done nothing innovative outside of ads.

What’s innovative about ads?

Instagram ads are the most consistently interesting ads I see online, and by an enormous margin. Ads suck, and I resent that their inherent purpose is to manipulate me, but they accomplish their goal better than any other ads I've ever seen.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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I wonder when (if ever) the companies realize that demoralizing your workforce (and destroying that sector of the job market) doesn't have only advantages. I know plenty of people that reacted with the desired fear, putting in long hours to avoid layoffs, willingness to accept lower pay because the job market sucks, etc. - but I think there are also plenty of the the mythical 10x engineers that just checked out, stop…

Read “The Gervais Principle” https://ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-t...

I think it explains everything, most companies are optimizing for “confused” - a class within the framework of people who work hard for no reason.

Not saying it’s the best but it’s certainly a way to do it, and probably becomes inevitable once the company is big enough.

I also think it closely parallels the practice of companies being actively hostile to their customers (or Pareto optimal as they might see it). Big companies would rather provide an offering that suits them, actively mistreating their customers, and just target customers that will go along with it rather than wasting time on customers that want some less profitable version of the offering.

Re: Zuckerberg 'Admits' Meta's Layoffs Were Ineffective

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Seems like a lot of CEOs overestimated the speed of AI, but also it is inevitable.

Is AGI really inevitable ? Claiming something is inevitable is a great way to disarm critical thinking.

I always found arguments for or against such technological advancements meaningless, if we don't specify what timeframes we are talking about. Sometimes I have the impression that people who disagree are simply thinking in different timeframes. For me, only short- and sometimes mid-term timeframes are practical in such deabtes. Long-term is interesting, but more in the realm of science fiction.

In the context of AGI, is it inevitable eventually? Sure, I would agree, unless some catastrophic event puts back our technological advancement.

IMO, don't see the path to AGI with the current tech, though. All current SOTA agents are still LLM based with all their flaws (limited reasoning, generalization, incomplete world model, hallucinations, ...). At their core, they are still next token predictors with a limited context.

Most of the advances in AI in the past 2 years are in post-training and harnesses.

I'd expect a different core technology than just an LLM in order to get to AGI.

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