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Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by forcedtolinux »

ProllyInfamous wrote: post #47

As a hobbyist exploring LLMs since Summer 2022 (electrician by trade)... I've been as blown away by generative AI results/output as I've been left laughing at its hallucinations . My first forays were via CrAIyon & ThisWordDoesNotExist .com . Now, four years later: I've finally been able to purchase a 5070Ti (from a ~1080Ti~ – so, an upgrade ). The past few days have been overwhelming as I explore the rights/wrongs o…

> Anybody have a good coding model (it's whatever language Atmel Arduino uses, by default) that runs on a 5070Ti, best?

Start by asking the model why "whatever language atmel arduino uses" makes no sense.

Atmel is a company that makes chips, some of them are AVR some of them are ARM. The language? well, you can get a compiler and use (mostly) whatever you want, unless you are talking about the machine code.

Arduino is the software platform + dev/prototype board manufacturer.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by ghusto »

> But show me something that has become so critical in your day that if I took it away tomorrow, your work would actually fall apart. Show me something truly life changing.

- I no longer look at log files. If there's an MCP that gets access, I don't even download them

- I don't look up implementation details, just say "I want this bit to do X". In general, I don't concern myself with technical details anymore

- I don't try to debug

The way in which these examples are life changing, is that I now solve abstract problems, not technical ones. Of course I could still do my job if AI disappeared tomorrow, but a road sweeper could also do theirs if the sweeping trucks went away too.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by wongarsu »

ed_elliott_asc wrote: post #53
radicalbyte wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Venture Capitalists are now even worse than the marketers.

Marketeers for venture capitalists? Does that beat vc’s?

Marketeers sounds like a great word for the worst of them. The ones that take over a functioning market and burn it for profit

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by toofy »

algoth1 wrote: post #14

As someone who has worked closely to the marketing space, there’s a saying that goes something like: ‘then the marketers found about it and ruin everything’. Quick example: when amazon launched kindle self publishing, there was a golden age where wannabe writers could self-publish their books, and let the market dictate what survived and became successful. Eventually, some people got good money out of it. Then market…

let’s not forget the marketers who work for the same companies we do.

how many times have we all seen marketing departments or sales departments in our companies entirely misrepresent the abilities or purpose of a product we built?

it’s fucking unreal how many times i’ve seen on here where the engineers of a product were like “don’t blame us, our team was screaming trying to be heard that the marketing/sales departments are outright lying about the capabilities.”

at which point they’ve often twisted and bastardized the product opposite of the reasons we built it to begin with.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by ModernMech »

algoth1 wrote: post #14

As someone who has worked closely to the marketing space, there’s a saying that goes something like: ‘then the marketers found about it and ruin everything’. Quick example: when amazon launched kindle self publishing, there was a golden age where wannabe writers could self-publish their books, and let the market dictate what survived and became successful. Eventually, some people got good money out of it. Then market…

It’s the old lifecycle of a scene.

1) cool people do cool things, start a scene

2) chill people who enjoy watching cool people do cool things spread the word

3) posers get wind and show up, the scene loses its vibe but reaches critical mass

4) advertisers show up looking to monetize the scene, driving out the cool and chill people who are allergic to advertisers.

5) the scene is now dead, filled with posers and ad execs

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by atonse »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #8
gregoryl wrote: post #2

The bullshit will continue until the grifters move on to something else. If you can figure out what that is, you'll make some serious bank!

Yeah, there will always be some percentage of bozos and clowns in America… that’s never going to change. And it’s unrealistic to expect them to stay perfectly motionless, they will try to adapt to the changing landscape too.

Bozos and clowns are a universal cultural phenomenon.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by CPLX »

AaronAPU wrote: post #38
algoth1 wrote: post #14

As someone who has worked closely to the marketing space, there’s a saying that goes something like: ‘then the marketers found about it and ruin everything’. Quick example: when amazon launched kindle self publishing, there was a golden age where wannabe writers could self-publish their books, and let the market dictate what survived and became successful. Eventually, some people got good money out of it. Then market…

I’ve long considered marketing to be one of the purest forms of evil in existence. It truly does envelop and destroy everything good.

Marketing is just an attempt at persuasion. It's the most fundamental form of communication. It's intrinsic to being human and interacting with other humans, and drives the reproduction function for basically all living things.

You have, in fact, just engaged in it in your comment by offering an opinion in hopes that others will read and adopt that opinion. In fact, you posted your comment on the marketing website of a well known private equity firm.

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by tavavex »

AaronAPU wrote: post #38
algoth1 wrote: post #14

As someone who has worked closely to the marketing space, there’s a saying that goes something like: ‘then the marketers found about it and ruin everything’. Quick example: when amazon launched kindle self publishing, there was a golden age where wannabe writers could self-publish their books, and let the market dictate what survived and became successful. Eventually, some people got good money out of it. Then market…

I’ve long considered marketing to be one of the purest forms of evil in existence. It truly does envelop and destroy everything good.

I wonder how most of them sleep at night. Do they think they're providing a valuable service? Do they like what they're doing? Do they think of themselves as good people?

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by john_strinlai »

tavavex wrote: post #78
AaronAPU wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve long considered marketing to be one of the purest forms of evil in existence. It truly does envelop and destroy everything good.

I wonder how most of them sleep at night. Do they think they're providing a valuable service? Do they like what they're doing? Do they think of themselves as good people?

>I wonder how most of them sleep at night.

i hate marketing. but most everyday, 9-5 in a cubicle marketers are just trying to feed their families and keep a roof over their head. its just a job, it doesnt need to be an identity.

or, you know, people can encourage all marketers to commit suicide a la bill hicks. its fun to be edgy sometimes.

(edit: i find it so strange that suggesting a tiny bit of empathy for someone grinding away in a cubicle is so objectionable to the people on the venture capital marketing forum, but alas, i have much to learn about the quirks of HN)

Re: Please stop the AI confidence theater

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Post by dofm »

romaniv wrote: post #36

The article has solid observations, but I would correct one important thing. It's not AI confidence, it's AI psychosis. A lot of people I know are forced to use AI at work. They universally tell me that their coworkers generate awful PRs with bugs, nonsensical code and fake unit tests. But they also universally tell me that they are different, have special workflows and prompts that create good code. The psychology b…

That's "fundamental attribution error" as much as it is any form of psychosis, though I do agree it is at work.

Also at work: the Dunning-Kruger hypothesis, Gell-Mann Amnesia and motivated reasoning.

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