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How do wombats poop cubes? (2021)

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Re: How do wombats poop cubes? (2021)

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Horses are especially susceptible to *everything*. Millenia of selective breeding to try for the healthiest strongest animals we can, and they're still shit. They'll get ill if they breathe wrong. They'll get ill if they eat a mouthful too much or too little of grass that's ever so slightly too green. They'll get ill if it's too rainy or not rainy enough. How the hell did they even evolve?

Selective breeding for being useful to humans, not for being able to survive on their own.

The two are not in any sense mutually exclusive.

Re: How do wombats poop cubes? (2021)

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I climb a lot around the forests where I live in Switzerland. In one area there are a lot of yew trees - deadly to mammals. Just 30 grams of the needles will stop your heart. The bright red berry tastes very nice and isn't poisonous but the seed, if just one seed has a crack in it and you swallow it it will stop your heart in about thirty minutes. German kings have used it to kill themselves after being defeated by R…

Most plants evolved to have their fruit eaten whole and seeds simply pooped out because of the fertilizing effects of animal feces and the fact that the seeds end up dropped far away from the parent plant. That includes large fruit with massive seeds like mangos.

Re: How do wombats poop cubes? (2021)

#113

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Selective breeding for being useful to humans, not for being able to survive on their own.

The two are not in any sense mutually exclusive.

Sure, there is some overlap. But there are also certain traits that would mean instant elimination from the gene pool in the wild but don't matter much when a human takes care of the horse.

I'm sure that if you investigate feral horse populations like North American mustangs or Australian brambies, you will find out that they don't "get ill if they breathe wrong". Because all that did, died without leaving any offspring long time ago.

Re: How do wombats poop cubes? (2021)

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>That just leaves one mystery: why wombats evolved cubic poop in the first place. Hu speculates that because the animals climb up on rocks and logs to mark their territory, the flat-sided feces aren't as likely to roll off from these high perches. Whenever I read such snippets from biology, I wonder how natural selection pressure can lead to such specific outcomes. Wombats that mark their territory better over centur…

> I often wonder how more biologists aren't believers Many observations are unexplained, and not just in biology. The difference between believers and atheists is that atheists stop there: it is unexplained, at least for now, that's how things are. Believers will instead attribute it to god, or some other form of higher power. In the end, it just shifts the problem, at some point you will have to admit that some thin…

there is perhaps a slippery slope between "the poop cubes made me a believer" and "the creation of poop cubes is irrefutable proof of the existence of God" and I can understand why one would want to abhor such thought processes when writing science.

> Also, evolution is mostly random, not everything needs natural selection

I think this is the most objective take. Perhaps we hype up the "accidentally brilliant" aspects of it more than the "wow this is a kinda random design choice" facets.

Re: How do wombats poop cubes? (2021)

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post #108

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No, it isn’t: https://www.academuseducation.co.uk/post/how-saturnalia-beca...

Yes, it is. Look at your source — hardly authoritative! And the so-called evidence... Thin, entirely circumstantial, and in places actually wrong. For example, Saturnalia went — at its longest - until the 23rd, not the 25th. Moreover, Christians likely got the 25th date based on religious calculation[1], not with reference to the one of the ancient festivals Victorian "historians" liked to speculate about. The articl…

> Look at your source — hardly authoritative!

Still better than the source you originally gave, which was non-existent, or the one you've given now, which is Catholic propaganda.

It might be true that Christmas was not a direct rip-off of Saturnalia per se (though we will probably never know for sure because the Church surely did not go out of its way to record this) but there can be no doubt that both Christmas and Saturnalia are solstice festivals, so at the very least they share a common motivational root. The exact provenance of the details doesn't really matter. What matters is that Jesus was almost certainly not born on December 25, and so whatever the motivation for that date was, Jesus's birth wasn't it.

Re: How do wombats poop cubes? (2021)

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post #115

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Yes, it is. Look at your source — hardly authoritative! And the so-called evidence... Thin, entirely circumstantial, and in places actually wrong. For example, Saturnalia went — at its longest - until the 23rd, not the 25th. Moreover, Christians likely got the 25th date based on religious calculation[1], not with reference to the one of the ancient festivals Victorian "historians" liked to speculate about. The articl…

> Look at your source — hardly authoritative! Still better than the source you originally gave, which was non-existent, or the one you've given now, which is Catholic propaganda. It might be true that Christmas was not a direct rip-off of Saturnalia per se (though we will probably never know for sure because the Church surely did not go out of its way to record this) but there can be no doubt that both Christmas and…

I see — a blog written by an unknown librarian is a better source than an Oxford fellow writing for a journal with a hundred year pedigree. No further engagement necessary, I think.

Re: How do wombats poop cubes? (2021)

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post #115

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> Look at your source — hardly authoritative! Still better than the source you originally gave, which was non-existent, or the one you've given now, which is Catholic propaganda. It might be true that Christmas was not a direct rip-off of Saturnalia per se (though we will probably never know for sure because the Church surely did not go out of its way to record this) but there can be no doubt that both Christmas and…

I see — a blog written by an unknown librarian is a better source than an Oxford fellow writing for a journal with a hundred year pedigree. No further engagement necessary, I think.

When the journal in question is called "Studies in Liturgy", yeah, a blog post is better. At least the blog post isn't manifestly biased.

Re: How do wombats poop cubes? (2021)

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post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Look at your source — hardly authoritative! Still better than the source you originally gave, which was non-existent, or the one you've given now, which is Catholic propaganda. It might be true that Christmas was not a direct rip-off of Saturnalia per se (though we will probably never know for sure because the Church surely did not go out of its way to record this) but there can be no doubt that both Christmas and…

I see — a blog written by an unknown librarian is a better source than an Oxford fellow writing for a journal with a hundred year pedigree. No further engagement necessary, I think.

The Daily Mail has a 130 year pedigree.

  Untruthful! My nephew Algernon! Impossible! He is an Oxonian!

Re: How do wombats poop cubes? (2021)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The two are not in any sense mutually exclusive.

Sure, there is some overlap. But there are also certain traits that would mean instant elimination from the gene pool in the wild but don't matter much when a human takes care of the horse. I'm sure that if you investigate feral horse populations like North American mustangs or Australian brambies, you will find out that they don't "get ill if they breathe wrong". Because all that did, died without leaving any offspr…

> But there are also certain traits that would mean instant elimination from the gene pool in the wild but don't matter much when a human takes care of the horse.

Yeah. They had that in the wild too.

> you will find out that they don't "get ill if they breathe wrong"

They very much do. If anything they're worse than domesticated horses.

Re: How do wombats poop cubes? (2021)

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A bit of a tangent but I've read this phrase almost verbatim in another article[1] today: > "This study is really good," says Sunghwan Jung, a biophysicist at Cornell University who studies the mechanics of animal movements and was not involved with the research. It shows, he says, that the guts of these animals "are very special." The other article [1] quote: > It’s “an impressive step,” said Jack Szostak (opens a n…

I had to read your comment several times, because the quotes seemed to have nothing in common, let alone be "almost verbatim". Then I realized you were probably commenting not about the quotes themselves, but about the formulaic construction "…said , ". Yes it's a standard format common to all science journalism and journalism in general. Even searching for the specific phrase "and was not involved with the research" and looking for pre-2022 results (needs a bit of filtering as search engines are biased towards recent pages), we find for example:

> [2014-01] “Here you’re able to, in combination, use many, many selective antibodies and screen them in a very sensitive manner,” said Mark Rubin, who directs the Institute for Precision Medicine at Weill Cornell Medical College and New York Presbyterian Hospital, and was not involved in the research. https://csb.mgh.harvard.edu/data/wiki_pages/26/thescientist....

> [2018-12] “I think it’s beautiful stuff; I’m really excited,” says Eric J. Schelter of the University of Pennsylvania, who studies lanthanide-dependent enzymes and was not involved in the research. https://axial.acs.org/biological-chemistry-and-chemical-biol...

> [2020-06] The study “adds to the growing appreciation of cells’ responses to bioelectric aspects of their environment,” said Michael Levin, who directs the Center for Regenerative and Developmental Biology at Tufts University and was not involved in the research. https://partnerships.princeton.edu/news/researchers-use-elec...

> [2018-11] Linda Bauld is Professor of Public Health at the University of Edinburgh and a member of the NCRI Cancer Conference Scientific Committee, and was not involved in the research. She said… https://ecancer.org/en/news/15060-doctors-and-nurses-relucta...

> [2019-03] The case provides “solid evidence for remission,”says Hans-Peter Kiem, a physician who studies cell and gene therapy at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center in Seattle, and was not involved in the research. http://institute.wuhanvirology.org/Newsletter2016/201904/P02...

> [2021-08] ‘I would say there's a lot of potential … now that they have shown that these structures are feasible, they are stable, at least under these conditions,' said Professor Roman Fasel, who heads the nanotech@surfaces Laboratory at the Swiss Federal Laboratories for Materials Science and Technology (EMPA) and was not involved in the research. https://projects.research-and-innovation.ec.europa.eu/en/hor...

> [2011-01] Dr. Kristine Scordo, who heads the Acute Care Nurse Practitioner Program at Wright State University-Miami Valley College of Nursing and Health in Dayton, Ohio, and was not involved in the research, said the results with rosuvastatin are consistent with what she sees in clinical practice. https://webapp2.wright.edu/web1/newsroom/2011/01/18/rosuvast...

> [2022-06] The findings could allow doctors to “focus on the patients we think would truly benefit from chemotherapy and avoid the side effects for patients for whom it’s likely unnecessary,” said Dr. Stacey Cohen of Fred Hutchinson Cancer Center in Seattle, who reviewed the colon cancer findings and was not involved in the research. https://nihfw.ac.in/Doc/Daily%20Health%20News%2020220608.pdf

> [2018-11] Robert Jones is Chair of the NCRI's Advanced Disease Prostate Cancer Clinical Studies Subgroup, Professor of Clinical Cancer Research at the University of Glasgow, and was not involved in the research. He said https://ecancer.org/en/news/15045-men-with-prostate-cancer-w...

> [2022-07] Professor Marielle Pijnenburg is head of the paediatric assembly of the European Respiratory Society and was not involved in the research. She says… https://publications.ersnet.org/press/2022-07-children-close...

> [2022-08] “Alcoholism is hard to treat, so any success is noteworthy,” Boris Heifets, who studies psychedelics at Stanford University and was not involved in the research, tells STAT News’ Olivia Goldhill. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/psychedelic-magic-...

It's really a common format, and gathering quotes from independent sources is pretty much what all journalism is about.

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