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CarPlay Is Additive

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Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by dyauspitr »

cmovq wrote: post #258
namdnay wrote: post #251

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> having to look down at the center of my dashboard that's why more recent models move the screen higher up. it sometimes looks a bit silly (like they glued an ipad on top of the dashboard), but it's a lot more usable > HUD that projected my location, speed, heading and turn by turn navigation (with lane info!) onto the windshield the latest carplay implementations are compatible with the inbuilt navigation aids, so…

I wish everyone would just have an option to see the navigation the the gauge cluster.

I prefer it to the side a little bit. The glance down at my gauges means I completely lose sight of the road at least in my case.

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Post by dreamcompiler »

s3p wrote: post #519
linzhangrun wrote: post #302

For pure interaction, CarPlay as a generic solution is very hard to beat infotainment systems that are deeply integrated with the vehicle itself. Its advantages are mainly these: - Consistency. You get into a new car, all you need to figure out is how to open CarPlay, no need to learning a completely different and often complicated infotainment system. - "It's on your phone". You can decide what playlist to play or w…

>For pure interaction, CarPlay as a generic solution is very hard to beat infotainment systems that are deeply integrated with the vehicle itself I can't find one instance of a car UI being as good or easier to interact with than CarPlay.

The Tesla UI is pretty good. It's the only built-in car software I consider good enough to use for navigation. In any other car I use my phone.

But Tesla also understands that good software engineers need to be paid Silicon Valley wages. The other car companies hire B- and C-level software engineers and then wonder why their customers prefer to navigate with their phones.

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Post by dyauspitr »

massysett wrote: post #451

I think CarPlay is evidence of failure. My aim is device independence. In the old days, to print I had to hook up my printer to a computer. To print from a computer on the network, I needed a print server. I had to administer that. Now the printer itself hooks to the network, which is far superior. I have an older thermostat which allows me to program vacations directly on the unit. This is superior to the newer ther…

I kinda disagree. I want the top of the line map system that goes with me everywhere to follow me into the car. I want to carry my computer around with me and don’t want a different computer in each location.

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Post by maxdo »

carPlay is Stockholm syndrome on wheels.

people have suffered through its clunky handshake for so long that they've started defending their captor.

My friend's $100k Audi makes him spend five minutes accepting terms of service just to enter a GPS destination. On contrary, he can hop into my Tesla and drive off instantly ...location already sent from my phone, key shared from the phone, but wow, no car play involved. One my friends owns android. No problem at all.

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Post by memsom »

Even when CarPlay is full screen, it is possible to have a the manufacturer's UI available. My Ford Sync 3 will let me get back the the car UI via an icon that is the Ford logo - it loos like a regular app, but it's sole purpose is "go back to the car's infotainment." This is useful for controlling the radio and tweaking settings, but not a lot else.

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Post by izacus »

Telaneo wrote: post #492
bjord wrote: post #489

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you actually may be able to update these. it's worth looking into.

The maps? Why would I bother when I can use Carplay instead? The car's integration with Carplay? Even models that are 4 years newer than mine seem to still not have this. Not sure what's going on there.

> The maps? Why would I bother when I can use Carplay instead?

Because, I quote: "they bother you". Which would explain why should you bother, right?

(Also, I was specifically talking about having Android Auto/Carplay projected in gauge cluster.)

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Post by qsxfthnkp2322 »

jebarker wrote: post #305

As an R1S owner I feel like the elephant in the room is that the Rivian developed infotainment software is just not very good. For example, the Spotify app has weird scrolling issues and the interface for offline downloads is clunky and unreliable. The maps/route planning is fine but not really any better than Apple/Google Maps (or ABRP). So I find it hard to give much credit to their argument against CarPlay when th…

It’s interesting one of the most sold accessories for a rivian vehicle is a phone mount that goes next to the huge main center screen.

I completely agree with you

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Post by xp84 »

delecti wrote: post #515
bdavbdav wrote: post #236

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Not only does it irritate me not having it in a practical sense, it’s also an arrogance on behalf of the manufacturer. “We can do it better than iOS/Android”, or “We have a better reason to do it”. No, and No.

I worked at a car company. It's not arrogance, it's greed. They do want their own proprietary infotainment to be good, but it's more that they don't want to abdicate control, both out of a possessive feeling over what you're looking at, and over the potential for selling you access to their own stuff on that screen.

Ironically, it’s the same greed that has made Apple rich: the carmaker wants to own a platform where the only way onto that screen is by cutting them in on the profits. Of course, on a “much less accessible to small businesses” scale. I assume Spotify or Audible have to pay large annual lump sums just to be there on the GM platform, rather than “just” the 30% shakedown Apple charges. So it excludes any developer who isn’t part of a Fortune 500 company.

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Post by xp84 »

vincnetas wrote: post #293
grumbelbart2 wrote: post #260

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Mostly the second point. They already collect and track you, even with car play. I strongly recommend this CCC talk, where they hacked a Volkswagen database that contained unfiltered, high-accuracy, timestamped locations of a large majority of electric cars from VW group. Based on that they were, for example, able to identify cars owned by members of Germany's security apparatus: where they work, where they live, whe…

good thing that brothels are legal in germany.

Irrelevant - it’s still a great type of kompromat when you want to gain leverage on someone. They probably don’t want their wives to know, for instance. Same if they’re a prominent backer of religious moral values.

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Post by theshrike79 »

maxdo wrote: post #554
rkangel wrote: post #346

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The big thing for me is that the lifetime of a car is a lot longer than the technology development lifecycle. I just bought a 10 year old Toyota estate (station wagon). It's got a reasonable screen and Bluetooth implementation etc. But I'm never going to want to use the built in navigation because it's just not as good as what my phone will do. And the audio integration isn't as sophisticated as it might be - I have…

Well, not every car brand suck at that. My 6 y.o tesla still delivers me updates, and new features.

To be honest, Tesla is a computer with a car as an add on. That’s why it works.

Traditional companies do it the other way around.

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