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CarPlay Is Additive

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Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by [deleted] »

embedding-shape wrote: post #447
kenjackson wrote: post #412

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Your use case sounds like exactly the opposite of what I’d prefer. And, I personally find the quality of YouTube Music Premium (256kbps AAC) superior to FM radio.

> And, I personally find the quality of YouTube Music Premium (256kbps AAC) superior to FM radio. When it comes to playing music from phones in cars, connection type seems to matter more than the source, and iOS has some weird built-in sound normalization only for CarPlay that drives me crazy. In my Audi A3 (2018), if I connect my iPhone 12 Mini via AUX or Bluetooth, sounds works perfectly fine. Same when playing via…

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Post by neogodless »

jebarker wrote: post #305

As an R1S owner I feel like the elephant in the room is that the Rivian developed infotainment software is just not very good. For example, the Spotify app has weird scrolling issues and the interface for offline downloads is clunky and unreliable. The maps/route planning is fine but not really any better than Apple/Google Maps (or ABRP). So I find it hard to give much credit to their argument against CarPlay when th…

How well does Pandora work for music?

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Post by swiftcoder »

whh wrote: post #511

I can’t be the only one who thinks we’re going a bit too far with the attention grab of vehicle infotainment. CarPlay is a fantastic system because it keeps you off your phone. But some of these new infotainment systems, and the complete lack of physical controls, are starting to feel extremely unsafe.

Luckily the pendulum is about to swing back the other way for most brands, as they have to reintroduce physical controls to comply with the updated EU safety regulations

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Post by arethuza »

bestham wrote: post #348
benjymo wrote: post #306

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VW is bringing back physical buttons in their newer models, e.g. ID.3 Neo and Polo. Skoda never did away with them. It's also part of the safety rating of Euro NCAP, and AFAIK China mandated physical buttons for important functions as well.

The wheel in an Enyaq before the facelift is the same haptic one-button shitshow. They have some buttons that act like shortcuts below the infotainment. But it the screen is still essentialistisk for managing crucial functions.

The steering wheel on my Scala has 8 buttons, two knobs (which can be clicked), 2 flappy paddles and 3 stalks...

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Post by swiftcoder »

titanomachy wrote: post #354
rkangel wrote: post #346

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The big thing for me is that the lifetime of a car is a lot longer than the technology development lifecycle. I just bought a 10 year old Toyota estate (station wagon). It's got a reasonable screen and Bluetooth implementation etc. But I'm never going to want to use the built in navigation because it's just not as good as what my phone will do. And the audio integration isn't as sophisticated as it might be - I have…

I’m sure the car manufacturers would much prefer if you updated your car as often as you do your phone.

I’m sure they would, but they also know their new car prices would be unsustainable if you couldn’t sell your old car… and that means everyone in the second hand car market is running stale infotainment stacks

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Post by ExoticPearTree »

drnick1 wrote: post #208
cebert wrote: post #6

They want to hold you captive to subscription plans. If they allow CarPlay, it gives consumers more options for cellular connectivity, music, navigation, and other apps.

Cellular connectivity is something I would rather cars not have.

E911 is mandatory in cars in a lot of countries. So you have it or not, even if it not used for data transfers.

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Post by MBCook »

frollogaston wrote: post #396
MBCook wrote: post #178

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That’s very odd. I’ve used my phones with 3 different cars regularly using CarPlay every single time I drive for literally a decade without ever experiencing that. Plus various rental cars!

So I own a new Honda and have either borrowed or rented GM, Chrysler, Toyota, Nissan. If you've only driven say Ford, BMW, Hyundai, Mercedes, VW, I didn't test those.

I own a Ford now, had a Honda and I’m in a relative’s Honda somewhat frequently.

Rented a number of GMs for sure, maybe a Nissan? Some of that is more fuzzy.

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Post by xattt »

whh wrote: post #511

I can’t be the only one who thinks we’re going a bit too far with the attention grab of vehicle infotainment. CarPlay is a fantastic system because it keeps you off your phone. But some of these new infotainment systems, and the complete lack of physical controls, are starting to feel extremely unsafe.

> CarPlay is a fantastic system because it keeps you off your phone.

Tinfoil hat time: CarPlay was created as a 4D regulatory chess move, because it enables users to continue interacting with their phones in a legislative environment where said action is otherwise illegal.

It would be hard to argue that it’s illegal to use the phone in a way that’s nearly identical to the way you interact with your vehicle controls.

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Post by lilhenry »

alerighi wrote: post #366
linzhangrun wrote: post #302

For pure interaction, CarPlay as a generic solution is very hard to beat infotainment systems that are deeply integrated with the vehicle itself. Its advantages are mainly these: - Consistency. You get into a new car, all you need to figure out is how to open CarPlay, no need to learning a completely different and often complicated infotainment system. - "It's on your phone". You can decide what playlist to play or w…

I appreciate my 2011 vehicle that only has a car radio with FM tuner and CDs, and yes, I know that I could easily swap it but I didn't on purpose, let me explain why: - all the controls that I need, that are basically volume, radio station or CD track, are easily accessible trough physical buttons and knobs, that I can use without taking my eyes off the street - I get in the car, insert the key and the radio turns on…

I’m in a similar situation, my car does have Bluetooth, but I mostly use cd’s and radio, the one thing I wish I had was a map in a convenient spot, I have to have my phone set up in some awkward holder to view it, I’m dependent on using the maps app on my phone

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Post by quickthrowman »

brookst wrote: post #323
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #119

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I would prefer knobs and buttons over a screen flow in either direction, but no modern car caters to this anymore.

Jeep may not be modern, but all of the windows, climate, etc, are physical buttons.

It will also depreciate by 50% or more in 5 years, so there’s that. Honda and Toyota mostly use knobs and buttons for important controls and retain their value much better than Stellantis trash.
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