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Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by VortexLain »

surgical_fire wrote: post #37
feverzsj wrote: post #17

Considering their massive distillation, if US companies stop publishing new models to the public, would China still be able to develop new open weight models?

Probably yes. More than a year ago, when Anthropic and OpenAI started to hide the reasoning bits from the output, a lot of people here on HN predicted that Chinese models days were numbered. Fast forward to today, and models such as DeepSeek and MiMo are nothing short of excellent. I haven't used GLM or Qwen but heard very good things about them as well. This "massive distillation" sounds a lot like anxiety about how…

In my personal, subjective opinion GLM-5.2 is on par with GPT-5.3

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by stingraycharles »

314 wrote: post #106
root-parent wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember Aaron Swartz who did something that just pales compared to what Dario Amodei, Zuckerberg-Mr-Torrent and Sam Altman did.

But Aaron Swartz did it for the benefit of other people. These fine people did it to uphold american values and enrich themselves at the expense of others. The law is clearly on their side.

I think this comment is missing a /s, right?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by cryptonym »

vlovich123 wrote: post #95
matheusmoreira wrote: post #74

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Remember how Kim Dotcom got destroyed for criminal copyright infringement? One would think the big tech CEOs would face the same fate, that police officers would rappel down helicopters, storm their mansions and bring them out in cuffs. Instead the AI companies reached these absurd settlements with publishers that made a mockery out of all the previous copyright enforcement victims.

Reminds me, did the AI companies redistribute that copyrighted material to others and make their money that way? Did Kim use the copyrighted material to generate something novel from it? copyright law literally says something isn’t infringement if it is a novel transformation. I get the jokes and criticism about AI companies fighting and complaining about competitors distilling, but this is a much weirder comparison.

This is confusing. I can torrent everything and do what I want with it, as long as I don't redistribute the exact same thing?

If so, why do we still pay for games and movies?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by batch12 »

dan_i wrote: post #109
314 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Aaron Swartz did it for the benefit of other people. These fine people did it to uphold american values and enrich themselves at the expense of others. The law is clearly on their side.

Quick refresher on American values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_colonial_histor...

The article talks about European colonies, so would these have been European values then since America did not yet exist?

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by pmontra »

johnathan101 wrote: post #18

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After they uploaded their code to private repositories on GitHub, Bitbucket etc since forever?. They trust GitHub not to read their code but they don't trust an AI from Microsoft not to read it? It would be schizophrenia

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by stingraycharles »

usef- wrote: post #78
dijit wrote: post #75

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regardless of anything else, whether what you said is true or not: blocking program execution based on the detected environment is a runtime behaviour change.

Agreed. And it also applies to the "I'm not a bot" checkbox on most websites. And hundreds of other things people use every day.

Yeah I also believe it’s a big nothing burger. There are far worse things these AI labs have done, detecting when Chinese labs are using Claude Code is not it.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by dan_i »

batch12 wrote: post #124
dan_i wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quick refresher on American values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_colonial_histor...

The article talks about European colonies, so would these have been European values then since America did not yet exist?

> The article talks about European colonies, so would these have been European values then since America did not yet exist?

Slavery is an expression of capitalist values.

Frederick Douglass is Karl Marx's ideological predecessor.

You aren't wrong that the European powers were slavers. That being said, the culture of the 13 American colonies is the first appearance of the unique Euro-American culture that dominates the United States.

It's wrongheaded to deny the central importance of slavery to American culture and values.

In the United States, the land of the small business owner, slaves mixed socially and sexually with their captors and with the culture of their captors.

For this reason, the culture of the United States is deeply affected by the institution of slavery in ways that are alien to the European powers.

Re: Alibaba to ban Claude Code in workplace over alleged backdoor risks, source says

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Post by messe »

breppp wrote: post #118
messe wrote: post #61

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> Alibaba reuses the IP anthropic used to train the model that's more akin to historical Chinese reverse engineering methods and disrespect of IP Why is this any worse than Anthropic's disrepect of IP? You've apparently drawn a distinction between the two here, but I'm failing to see what it actually is.

Copyright law and IP law is not the same although everyone seem to conflate the two. Search engines for example historically ignored copyright law by copying excerpts or serving other site images, it doesn't mean someone copying Google's code has some moral frepass

> Copyright law and IP law is not the same although everyone seem to conflate the two.

Copyright law is a subset of IP law. What IP is being infringed upon here?

> Search engines for example historically ignored copyright law by copying excerpts or serving other site images

Excerpts are often considered fair use, but it depends on country.

> it doesn't mean someone copying Google's code has some moral frepass

Nobody copied Anthropic's code. They used it's output to train another model. At most they violated some terms of service.

Did they maybe abuse Anthropic's subsidised pricing? Sure. But that's what happens in a free market if you sell below cost.

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Post by petcat »

dan_i wrote: post #109
314 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But Aaron Swartz did it for the benefit of other people. These fine people did it to uphold american values and enrich themselves at the expense of others. The law is clearly on their side.

Quick refresher on American values: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_the_colonial_histor...

Not sure what that is supposed to indicate? USA was a big place, even then. Most northern states had abolished slavery even before Britain, France, and especially Spain did. Maybe we should have a quick refresher on European values?
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