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Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by bombcar »

wvenable wrote: post #224
tedd4u wrote: post #2

I hesitate to propose ulterior motives, but given there have been several seemingly obtuse objections to projection from Rivian, perhaps the CEO is concerned that, if Rivian supports projection, it will harm the perception of the value of their software stack? Related, I think they licensed their stack to VW.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it" -- Upton Sinclair This is the CEO of Rivian's software arm -- his job is to create and sell software that runs in the car. Carplay and Android Auto effectively make him unnecessary. If you listen to the interview, he has bold ideas about how the car should somehow be the center of one's computing ecosystem. I…

The car industry got "mogged" as the kids say by Apple - cars went from status items (see any 60s/70s movie) to "an iPhone accessory" overnight and they've still not recovered.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by hparadiz »

Telaneo wrote: post #410
alex0015 wrote: post #176

It's a strange feeling reading these comments because not only have I never used carplay or android auto, I don't think I've ever noticed anyone else using it in a car someone's driven me in. Everyone I know just has their phone in a dash mount. I don't think it's that small a sample size either! I drive a 2014 Accord and it auto connects to my android with Bluetooth when I turn on the car. It's hard to really imagin…

> I drive a 2014 Accord and it auto connects to my android with Bluetooth when I turn on the car. It's hard to really imagine the experience of maps or music being improved by seeing it on my dashboard screen compared to right next to it on the phone. How about instead of your phone? You don't need your phone dash mount if you have Carplay.

I personally only need the map up sometimes so I find the whole thing kind of patronizing. The last time I tried it I didn't like that I couldn't switch between different music apps without exiting the entire system. Maybe it's different now but I'm pretty content not using it. Also the Carplay / Android port on my car is old and doesn't support fast charging.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by bombcar »

InTheArena wrote: post #197

The interesting thing is that there is a lot of evidence that Tesla is about to embed Carplay. Rivian has taken over the privileged insanely expensive EV car market, as the Model Y is the closest thing to the old Honda/Toyota dominance, just in the EV space.

Tesla at least somewhat busted ass in the whole "iPad screen in the car" movement, and CarPlay was more invasive in some ways then than it is now.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by Telaneo »

artisinal wrote: post #430
Telaneo wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Same goes for navigation apps. Finding a restaurant with pictures and reviews is so much faster on my phone. You shouldn't be doing this while driving. If you're doing this while not driving, you still can. Carplay doesn't make your phone inert while connected. You can still use Google Maps on your phone to punch in a location or look around the area, while still connected to Carplay.

I was responding to: > vastly superior and convenient way to view the same map you can see on your iPhone. The map and the interface is vastly superior on my phone. Google Maps on iOS is barely usable while connected to CarPlay. You shouldn’t operate anything while driving. Do that before you leave.

> The map and the interface is vastly superior on my phone. Google Maps on iOS is barely usable while connected to CarPlay.

When browsing? I guess. When driving? I have a hard time agreeing with that.

> You shouldn’t operate anything while driving. Do that before you leave.

Exactly, so you not being able to do anything with Google Maps on the Carplay screen doesn't matter, since you don't need to do anything through there to begin with. Set your destination on your phone before you set of (whose functionality isn't reduced by being connected to Carplay), then the screen is naught more than a display after that.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by hparadiz »

Telaneo wrote: post #423
cloin wrote: post #17

I’m not even that old, but I’d really love to argue to simplify the entire auto infotainment stack. I don’t even need a screen. I just bring my own by magnetically attaching my phone that I’ll use to navigate and Bluetooth music or podcasts. If CarPlay becomes the standard that allows me to not pay for whatever crappy tablet UI automakers are pushing, fine. But that doesn’t make CarPlay a necessity, it just makes it…

A rear camera is mandatory on new cars in the US these days, and it's honestly a good idea to have them either way. This makes a screen a necessity more or less no matter what (I can't see it being implemented with a bring-your-own tablet solution). That doesn't mean they have to ship most of the infotainment system though. They could just leave that hole there for Carplay to fill. But that would be admiring defeat,…

The rear and mirror cameras being active is one reason I don't like it when my phone is connected to it because they overlay what Carplay/Android Auto is trying to show. It's sort of like downgrading from dual screen to one.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by Telaneo »

hparadiz wrote: post #432
Telaneo wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I drive a 2014 Accord and it auto connects to my android with Bluetooth when I turn on the car. It's hard to really imagine the experience of maps or music being improved by seeing it on my dashboard screen compared to right next to it on the phone. How about instead of your phone? You don't need your phone dash mount if you have Carplay.

I personally only need the map up sometimes so I find the whole thing kind of patronizing. The last time I tried it I didn't like that I couldn't switch between different music apps without exiting the entire system. Maybe it's different now but I'm pretty content not using it. Also the Carplay / Android port on my car is old and doesn't support fast charging.

> I personally only need the map up sometimes so I find the whole thing kind of patronizing.

You should be able to have it only show the music app or whatever if that's what bothers you. My cars default infotainment shows the map by default too, so this is more or less the same from my point of view (other than the fact that the car's maps are out of date).

> The last time I tried it I didn't like that I couldn't switch between different music apps without exiting the entire system.

As in you need to exit one app to open another? You can add whatever apps to the home(?) screen if you need to see them both at the same time, but if you want two apps to be fully open at the same time, that's not happening, as that's probably a hold-over from phone UI. Or am I misunderstanding you here?

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by senordevnyc »

stevoski wrote: post #257

I have a chapter in my book Kill the HiPPO titled “Cupholders vs CarPlay”. The premise of the chapter is that some features in software are like CarPlay when looking for a new car - they become an important must-have for the buying decision - as opposed to “cupholder” features, those features which are a mere minor improvement for existing users. https://killthehippo.com/

Congrats on writing a book, big accomplishment!

I'm confused about the cupholder example though: I'd MUCH rather skip CarPlay (which I love) than cupholders in a car, but I wouldn't shop for a car based on whether it has cupholders because surely they all do, right? It seems like shopping based on whether the car has A/C or something.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by Telaneo »

hparadiz wrote: post #436
Telaneo wrote: post #423

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A rear camera is mandatory on new cars in the US these days, and it's honestly a good idea to have them either way. This makes a screen a necessity more or less no matter what (I can't see it being implemented with a bring-your-own tablet solution). That doesn't mean they have to ship most of the infotainment system though. They could just leave that hole there for Carplay to fill. But that would be admiring defeat,…

The rear and mirror cameras being active is one reason I don't like it when my phone is connected to it because they overlay what Carplay/Android Auto is trying to show. It's sort of like downgrading from dual screen to one.

I've never found it to be inconvenient. When I'm reversing, I'm not using Carplay actively. I guess it could be annoying if you're a passenger trying to key in a destination or something, but I'd just use my phone in that case (or have the driver unlock their phone).

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by senordevnyc »

I get where the author is coming from, but it seems to me that the core issue here isn't CarPlay, it's that car manufacturers are absolute dogshit at software. Most Tesla owners don't seem that upset about the lack of CarPlay, I'm assuming because the native Tesla experience is really good. I'm not sure people would care as much if that were the case more often.

And cars are increasingly a software-bound experience that CarPlay can only get you out of so far. I have a Volvo XC40 EV, and even though it's a decent car and I've had multiple Volvos that I've loved, I probably won't buy another one because the software experience is so bad. And that's WITH CarPlay!

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