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Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by _diyar »

zaep wrote: post #374

I don't own a car, and I found the article mildly interesting, but I can't get over the sentence > Our last three cars, the eldest of which was from the 2017 model year [...]. Is it common to buy three cars in let's say 10 years? That seems like a large amount of spend (afaik cars depreciate in value rather quick?) and -- barring accidents -- a really short time to have to replace something as sturdy as a car; If I g…

I happen to listen to ATP, a tech podcast of which Casey is a co-host.

I believe his family owns 2 cars, but had to replace one of them recently when a pebble caused a freak accident, essentially totaling the engine in one of the cars. Hence 3 cars purchased in 10 years.

Edit: Episode #592, at the very end: https://overcast.fm/+ABQnv4mYCFc/1:40:38

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by tinco »

andai wrote: post #379

Isn't it dangerous and illegal to do stuff on your phone while driving? In this case it's on a bigger screen so it's okay somehow? (I haven't experienced one of these in person though, so I might be missing something.)

I don't know how CarPlay is, but Android Auto restricts the apps and app interactions you can do in the Android Auto user interface. On my phone the only apps that show up are google maps, spotify, and my podcast player and my phone interface I think.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by lotsofpulp »

throwaway2037 wrote: post #343
hamburglar wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They all think they can do better, and it is sheer arrogance, because even the best of them is utter garbage compared to software that is actually built with fast iteration, UX research, and real user testing. No car manufacturers do a good job of this, and they all bake their atrocious UX into a $50k piece of hardware you keep for decades and which *never* gets a significant software update. The fact that they don’t…

I hear so many complaints here on HN about "car UX". I am not a Tesla fanboy, but lots of people who review Teslas say they have great "car UX". Can you share some specifics about what you don't like?

I used to be a person who thought I would never buy a car without Carplay, and Tesla won me over.

I don’t pay for any Tesla subscription services, but I do not miss Carplay. Would it be nice to have? Sure. But there was/is no equivalent car at that price with Carplay.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by earthnail »

benjymo wrote: post #306
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would prefer knobs and buttons over a screen flow in either direction, but no modern car caters to this anymore.

VW is bringing back physical buttons in their newer models, e.g. ID.3 Neo and Polo. Skoda never did away with them. It's also part of the safety rating of Euro NCAP, and AFAIK China mandated physical buttons for important functions as well.

I have a 2021 Skoda Octavia and boy do I have to touch the screen a lot.

Yes, you can open the AC screen by tapping the AC button but then you still need use the touch screen for any actual AC adjustments.

It’s a joke that that’s legal. Looking at my phone is illegal, yet it’s many times faster.

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Post by Telaneo »

throwaway_7274 wrote: post #41
valgaze wrote: post #4

Author says "I literally will not buy a car that does not support CarPlay." From July 2022: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/22/apple-carplay-could-be-a-tro ... Apple engineering manager Emily Schubert said 98% of new cars in the U.S. come with CarPlay installed. She delivered a shocking stat: 79% of U.S. buyers would only buy a car if it supported CarPlay. “It’s a must-have feature when shopping for a new vehicle,” Schu…

I literally will not buy a car that has a microprocessor in it (I will, apparently, never buy a car)

I don't think this is a useful stance to take for more or less any reason (any reason you can point to will have a different underlying issue). Cars functionally have to have microprocessors, if nothing else but to control emissions, and that's a good thing. I don't want society to smell of exhaust, so that's an obvious and gigantic benefit. There are many other good reasons to have them, like rear cameras, tire pressure sensors, infotainment, the lot.

There are downsides, but many boil down to 'manufacturers are knobheads' (data collection, pushing subscriptions) and lessened control (tuning computers can be easier than tuning mechanics, you just aren't given control, so this to is arguably a case of 'manufacturers are knobheads', or sometimes liability issues).

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by MikeDods »

alerighi wrote: post #366
linzhangrun wrote: post #302

For pure interaction, CarPlay as a generic solution is very hard to beat infotainment systems that are deeply integrated with the vehicle itself. Its advantages are mainly these: - Consistency. You get into a new car, all you need to figure out is how to open CarPlay, no need to learning a completely different and often complicated infotainment system. - "It's on your phone". You can decide what playlist to play or w…

I appreciate my 2011 vehicle that only has a car radio with FM tuner and CDs, and yes, I know that I could easily swap it but I didn't on purpose, let me explain why: - all the controls that I need, that are basically volume, radio station or CD track, are easily accessible trough physical buttons and knobs, that I can use without taking my eyes off the street - I get in the car, insert the key and the radio turns on…

who asked?

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by cromka »

stavros wrote: post #337
cromka wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's clearly a play button on that photo referenced in this thread. Whether your car has that is irrelevant, we're not discussing YOURS.

Ah yes, the play button, and also clearly the reverse play button on the opposite side, which presumably makes the audio play in reverse. I have the same car, those are the previous/next buttons.

You feel better about yourself when you patronize this much?

We're literally talking about a car wheel, how do you get off on it so much?

There's no Play button on the whole wheel? That roller, doesn't it also play/pause when pressed?

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by Mashimo »

brookst wrote: post #358
Mashimo wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You missed the biggest one: continuity. Start listening to music at home, take it to the car. Start a podcast in the car, finish it in the gym. That would still work, as you can use Bluetooth.

And use the phone’s UI for anything more complex the pause/skip?

Nah, I would not do it.

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by Telaneo »

andai wrote: post #379

Isn't it dangerous and illegal to do stuff on your phone while driving? In this case it's on a bigger screen so it's okay somehow? (I haven't experienced one of these in person though, so I might be missing something.)

You can control Carplay the most relevant parts with buttons. Next-previous track, volume, voice commands, probably more I can't think of.

Not to mention that yes, a bigger screen probably is better. Bigger target = easier to hit. The legality can become a lessened problem, depending on jurisdiction. Using your phone while driving is often specifically illegal, but using your car's infotainment system might not be automatically illegal (it might count as distracted driving or whatever, but the threshold of proof is higher).

Re: CarPlay Is Additive

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Post by RealityVoid »

alerighi wrote: post #366
linzhangrun wrote: post #302

For pure interaction, CarPlay as a generic solution is very hard to beat infotainment systems that are deeply integrated with the vehicle itself. Its advantages are mainly these: - Consistency. You get into a new car, all you need to figure out is how to open CarPlay, no need to learning a completely different and often complicated infotainment system. - "It's on your phone". You can decide what playlist to play or w…

I appreciate my 2011 vehicle that only has a car radio with FM tuner and CDs, and yes, I know that I could easily swap it but I didn't on purpose, let me explain why: - all the controls that I need, that are basically volume, radio station or CD track, are easily accessible trough physical buttons and knobs, that I can use without taking my eyes off the street - I get in the car, insert the key and the radio turns on…

On the other hand, you are limited by having CD's which compared to streaming stuff from Spotify is much much less convenient, take up space and you need to create/buy them, your playlist don't synch up with your other devices. CD experience is much less streamlined than a smartphone. Perhaps nostalgia makes them seem cooler for you, but I am not sold.
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