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Re: Immich 3.0

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Post by cromka »

Valodim wrote: post #167
cromka wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They make money on that, it's not just a hobby project

Their business model is basically donations, it's not a for-profit operation. Maybe if you consider yourself less of a customer and more the beneficiary of a community effort, it'll be easier to "get"

Don't patronize me, my arguments still stand: they offer all bells and whistles while completely dropping the ball at making you feel those photos are well taken care of. The core employees live off of Immich so spare me the spiel.

Re: Immich 3.0

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Post by cromka »

gotbeans wrote: post #175
cromka wrote: post #160

I have a different bash with them than the lack of E2EE: they do not make it easy to import from other servicesvlike Google Photos or iCloud, which should be a priority. They rely on immich-go project, which is ridden with bugs and basically abandonware by now. Their own iOS app, which can also be used for syncing iCloud gallery, has outstanding, 2 y/o or so bugs that will fail to upload the Live Motion photos. My ph…

In the same universe, I took a google takeout last week to migrate to immich, 12k photos/videos. I set up immich backed by ceph last week and I got everything migrated via immich-go, with all metadata albums and all. Had to change some parallelization option, but otherwise it was a breeze.

It seemed like that for me, too, until I realized my photos were botched. The only way to know that was looking into the logs: I have some 9000 photos which it silently fails to extract metadata from. The only sign in the UI that something is off is the fact those 9k photos never get processed, you can try in perpetuity. The logs reveal they were botched either by immich-go or iOS app, ffmpeg freaks out when processing them. After checking in the gallery they're indeed messed up.

Besides, having to use external tool you check out from GitHub is the exact opposite of what should be the priority I am talking about. Immich gives you that clean, very easy UX/UI, targeting every regular user as a real alternative to Google or Apple offerings, yet you can't easily and safely import your photos. That's inconsistent at best. Misleading.

Re: Immich 3.0

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Post by cromka »

MrDresden wrote: post #178
cromka wrote: post #160

I have a different bash with them than the lack of E2EE: they do not make it easy to import from other servicesvlike Google Photos or iCloud, which should be a priority. They rely on immich-go project, which is ridden with bugs and basically abandonware by now. Their own iOS app, which can also be used for syncing iCloud gallery, has outstanding, 2 y/o or so bugs that will fail to upload the Live Motion photos. My ph…

The amount of entitlement on display here is astounding.

What entitlement? Did I say I DEMAND something? DID I? You can't criticize a free project because God forbid that makes you entitled?

And how do you know I haven't donated and don't regularly do so?

Re: Immich 3.0

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Post by cromka »

troupo wrote: post #176
cromka wrote: post #160

I have a different bash with them than the lack of E2EE: they do not make it easy to import from other servicesvlike Google Photos or iCloud, which should be a priority. They rely on immich-go project, which is ridden with bugs and basically abandonware by now. Their own iOS app, which can also be used for syncing iCloud gallery, has outstanding, 2 y/o or so bugs that will fail to upload the Live Motion photos. My ph…

> they do not make it easy to import from other servicesvlike Google Photos or iCloud Because those services are closed black boxes that don't really let you access them except in a very roundabout way?

No. They're not. You export photos using Google Takeout, iCloud has something similar. And their own iOS app also has unresolved bugs because of which I can't fully import my gallery.

There's no "black box" magic here. Sure, there are some edge cases that need to be handled when importing the exported dataset, but it's all documented.

Re: Immich 3.0

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Post by liotier »

l11r wrote: post #80
oliyoung wrote: post #41

Immich is such a no-brainer replacement for Apple Photos or Google Photos, combined with VPN like Tailscale, it's almost a drop in replacement

Are there any side effects of leaving Immich public? I think people overestimate the risks. Just update your stuff regularly, follow simple rules, and set up something like CrowdSec. I know it's simpler to just use Tailscale and similar tools, but recently I see the trend that people don't even consider otherwise.

> Are there any side effects of leaving Immich public ?

Yes: it is necessary to share selected albums through public URL.

Re: Immich 3.0

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Post by INTPenis »

AussieWog93 wrote: post #82

So many comments here about missing end to end encryption, but seriously - why would anyone want this? Lets say burglars break in and steal your homelab. Because you don't have e2ee, they can see all the photos you saved of your dead grandmother! Oh no! Or, in the more likely scenario that something happens to your phone, the lack of e2ee means that even if you lost your keys you didn't lose the only memories that re…

I agree, we used to have photo albums in cupboards, and they used to get burnt if the house burned down, or water damaged if the boiler broke, or even stolen. Now we have them digitally and we can back them up off-site. That's all the change I need with immich.

To fully encrypt them would just be inviting more problems.

Re: Immich 3.0

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Post by dsego »

INTPenis wrote: post #196
AussieWog93 wrote: post #82

So many comments here about missing end to end encryption, but seriously - why would anyone want this? Lets say burglars break in and steal your homelab. Because you don't have e2ee, they can see all the photos you saved of your dead grandmother! Oh no! Or, in the more likely scenario that something happens to your phone, the lack of e2ee means that even if you lost your keys you didn't lose the only memories that re…

I agree, we used to have photo albums in cupboards, and they used to get burnt if the house burned down, or water damaged if the boiler broke, or even stolen. Now we have them digitally and we can back them up off-site. That's all the change I need with immich. To fully encrypt them would just be inviting more problems.

This actually happened to me, without getting into the specifics, a family member with mental issues took all the childhood photo albums and burned them.

Re: Immich 3.0

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Post by rrvsh »

slaye wrote: post #161

An incredible piece of software, on par with Google Photos. I've been using it behind Tailscale for months with no problems ever since I first got into homelabbing. Actually, moving from Google Photos to Immich after I hit my 100GB storage limit was the whole reason I got into self-hosting, and what a fun ride that has been! I can't believe self-hosted products of this caliber are free. Huge shout-out to HomeAssistan…

I would say at this point it's better than Google Photos!! The team is absolutely amazing, and I agree that it's astounding to see IMO the best (general purpose) photo app out there being open source

Re: Immich 3.0

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Post by internet_points »

FabCH wrote: post #180

A lot of people talking about encryption in the comment section, thought I would share my setup. I have been running Immich for family and friends on a Hetzner auction server for about 1.5 years now. Hetzner community provides official full-disk encryption documentation: https://community.hetzner.com/tutorials/install-debian-with-... Letsencrypt gives free reliable SSL. You can easily hide Immich behind Nginx proxy t…

how much storage and how much do you pay Hetzner?

Re: Immich 3.0

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Post by palata »

bjackman wrote: post #172
eddythompson80 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It would make hosting a "Family and/or friends" instance possible. I do go back and forth on the accessibility tradeoffs of E2EE for average people though. In this scenario, lose or forget your key/password and you lose ALL of your photos which are very important to some people. Losing them is pretty catastrophic. Google Photos or iPhotos really gives people a sense of security about their photos. ps: It would also m…

I really don't think you want E2EE for this. I host storage for family and friends, I haven't set Immich up yet (don't think I'd have space for everyone's photos) but the choice is between: 1. "Hey just so you know, I have access to everything you upload here". 2. "Do NOT lose your password or your data will be GONE FOREVER and I CANNOT get it back". I definitely prefer 1 and I'm sure my users do too. They shouldn't…

I do agree that this is a use-case.

Now a use-case for E2EE is if you want to host it on a VPS, I would say. I wouldn't trust the VPS with the photos of my friends/family.

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