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Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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I don’t want to be flippantly dismissive but surely there was a certain other event in 2008 that caused many families to reconsider the financial wisdom of starting a family.

They compared AT&T users with an iPhone (the only place you could get an iPhone) to users with other carriers. Since people using other carriers also experienced 2008, it's not that.

Even if you control for age and wealth, the people who used iPhones in 2008, i.e. tech hipsters, are obviously different in tangible ways from the people who didn't use iPhones in 2008. It's not possible to prove causality from that.

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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post #12

I don’t want to be flippantly dismissive but surely there was a certain other event in 2008 that caused many families to reconsider the financial wisdom of starting a family.

They compared AT&T users with an iPhone (the only place you could get an iPhone) to users with other carriers. Since people using other carriers also experienced 2008, it's not that.

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Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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It is "birth control" but in sort of opposite way. People are now much better informed, thanks to internet and devices like iphone. They do not have to relly on state education (that wants more babies) and popular shows like Friends.

State founded school is not going to tell you it costs $1200000 to raise baby, or you have 50% chance it will be taken away.

It will also push stats made in lab controlled conditions, and gloss over unreliability of such medications in real life (like if you would skip a pill for a few days).

Failure rate of birth control in normal life is around 10% per year (if you drink, forget to take pill at very exact time, use antibiotics). So there would be about chance 50% to get unwanted baby over years. Well informed person will not make such mistake.

Edit: about the cost

I said the "cost is", not that they are "spending it". There is lost opportunity, lost salary, lost investments, inflation...

It is not 18, more like 24 years.

Let's do some some math, take $600 rent over 18 years = $129,600. With 5% annual rent increase $202k. If you would reinvest that rental income with 5% yearly return $304k!!!

Stay at home mum for 5 years, at $60k = $300k. If you invest that into retirement account when baby would go to school, for 12 years at 5% yearly return it is $538k

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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It is "birth control" but in sort of opposite way. People are now much better informed, thanks to internet and devices like iphone. They do not have to relly on state education (that wants more babies) and popular shows like Friends. State founded school is not going to tell you it costs $1200000 to raise baby, or you have 50% chance it will be taken away. It will also push stats made in lab controlled conditions, an…

You’re just making up numbers

Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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this comes to show that sex is just entertainment and it is being crowded out from all sides

Everything is entertainment in the modern world. On the other hand, as William James wrote, one of definite characteristics of a religious experience is seriousness. "All is not vanity."

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Re: Is the iPhone birth control? Causal evidence from AT&T's 2007-2011 monopoly [pdf]

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It is "birth control" but in sort of opposite way. People are now much better informed, thanks to internet and devices like iphone. They do not have to relly on state education (that wants more babies) and popular shows like Friends. State founded school is not going to tell you it costs $1200000 to raise baby, or you have 50% chance it will be taken away. It will also push stats made in lab controlled conditions, an…

>it costs $1200000 to raise baby

What exactly are you planning to do with all that money anyway? Consume things?

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