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Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by geerlingguy »

sleepybrett wrote: post #91
mywittyname wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Realistically, how many viewers will be retained should YT shut the OP down? Right now, that number rounds to 0. Practically speaking, YT is free internet video streaming for long-form videos on the US market. Nobody is going to go to OP's personal site to watch videos. They are going to fire up YT and eat what the algorithm feeds them. The reason PeerTube and Nebula are important is it provides the potential for a t…

Nebula is invite only, as far as I can tell, for creators.

Nebula's value proposition for invited creators is dubious at best, too.

They also require an off-YouTube exclusivity contract, which was especially no bueno for me.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #151
djaro wrote: post #41

As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is the lack of monetization. I think people who don't make videos for a living severely underestimate how expensive it is to produce high-quality videos people want to watch. This isn't like writing a tweet or even posting a picture on Instagram. Even a decent 20-minute video can easily take 40 man-hours of high-skilled labor. I have a pretty small…

"As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is lack of monetization." As a computer user I see that as the main advantage No third party intermediary No advertising Computer users need peer-to-peer options for sharing video with each other that do not use third party advertising companies, e.g., posing as "search engine" or "social media", to transfer the bits Whether PeerTube works well, I…

I made a video today. It cost me nothing

There are some people to whom I'd like to send it

But I'm not uploading it to YouTube's servers

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by Crespyl »

geerlingguy wrote: post #261
sleepybrett wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nebula is invite only, as far as I can tell, for creators.

Nebula's value proposition for invited creators is dubious at best, too. They also require an off-YouTube exclusivity contract, which was especially no bueno for me.

Isn't it possible for creators to release on YouTube some time after the Nebula release?

I know of a couple channels that do that, though it seems like there's a requirement to add a little extra bit on the end for the Nebula side.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by ButlerianJihad »

I've been deeply invested in YT and YT Music for about 20 years now. This month I was forced to cancel my subscription. They recently jacked up the price and really ruined the apps. I can't even understand how to operate the apps anymore; nobody will document it; nobody will support them. So I'm unable to monetarily support an unsupported app ecosystem.

Sadly I cannot leave the platform. The network effect is far too strong. PeerTube, and Vimeo, and Spotify are all well and good, like any other, but the network effect means that YouTube is where the channels are. The official channels that I follow and watch every day, for news, for updates, for the most important things in my hobby and my daily life. I cannot simply stop watching those things.

Call me an addict or something; I don't know. I have no TV, no family; I need some kind of time-chewing entertainment that is mostly passive. I wish I could curl up with books and knitting or crafts or something, but my eyes are still glued to these screens.

Help?

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by Abishek_Muthian »

djaro wrote: post #41

As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is the lack of monetization. I think people who don't make videos for a living severely underestimate how expensive it is to produce high-quality videos people want to watch. This isn't like writing a tweet or even posting a picture on Instagram. Even a decent 20-minute video can easily take 40 man-hours of high-skilled labor. I have a pretty small…

Interesting, I thought the major issue with PeerTube was the high latency due the decentralized nature and that they don't have the backing of Google infrastructure.

What you state sounds more like a chicken and egg problem. You'll publish content only when there are enough viewers but there can be viewers only when you publish content.

Like others have said, There's not much effort to publish in both platforms; good way to hedge against the algorithmic risks.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by nullbio »

djaro wrote: post #41

As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is the lack of monetization. I think people who don't make videos for a living severely underestimate how expensive it is to produce high-quality videos people want to watch. This isn't like writing a tweet or even posting a picture on Instagram. Even a decent 20-minute video can easily take 40 man-hours of high-skilled labor. I have a pretty small…

Why can't they build an advertiser network into this?

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by stonogo »

djaro wrote: post #204
stonogo wrote: post #152

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this is the strongest endorsement of peertube I've seen so far

The strongest endorsement for PeerTube is that it cannot sustain creators and thus will only either 1) freeboot off of platforms that do or 2) be flooded by low effort slop?

I'm not sure the difference between low-effort slop and high-effort slop is as significant as you seem to assume.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by kalcode »

ndriscoll wrote: post #173
ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #146

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Because people are expected to spend their time, effort and money to provide content for you for free, of course. Seems like the only explanation.

They're not. No one asked OP to use peertube. This is software for people who want to share videos. Coming in and declaring you won't use it because you can't make money from your videos should just get an "okay?" Interjecting into a FOSS space and complaining they are not paying you is beyond bizarre. Doubling down when people basically say "actually I'm specifically looking for non-commercial groups, so your absenc…

Thank you. It is a bit bizarre reading this thread.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by jeffalyanak »

djaro wrote: post #41

As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is the lack of monetization. I think people who don't make videos for a living severely underestimate how expensive it is to produce high-quality videos people want to watch. This isn't like writing a tweet or even posting a picture on Instagram. Even a decent 20-minute video can easily take 40 man-hours of high-skilled labor. I have a pretty small…

Monetization is the easy part, a plugin that adds advertisements, paid subscriptions, or some other form of monetization could easily be made if there was a demand for it.

The real barrier issue is that of network effect. There's simply (almost) no audience, which means there are (almost) no creators, which means there is (almost) no audience.

I've been publishing my videos on my own peertube instance for a while and I really do appreciate it as a platform, but I don't think that the technical aspects of it alone will ever be the key to its potential success.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by kalcode »

dinkleberg wrote: post #162
roadside_picnic wrote: post #153

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> Yet those 2-3M channels get the lions share of the views. ...because they're directly tied to YouTube own revenue. As someone who creates a fair bit of content, and am fortunate enough not to have to worry about the revenue from that, I deliberately try to minimize monetization because it ultimately becomes the main driving force behind your content creation. Monetization as the only model for content creation lead…

No, it is because that is the content that people want to watch . I too create content that has been widely watched and don't include video ads or any of the other monetization features they push. But I create videos because I want people to watch them. I don't do it for the sake of myself and pushing it out into the void. I don't follow whatever the trends are, I create what I believe will be the most useful as I ma…

I'm confused, why are you arguing about this? Stick with YouTube. This isn't for you.

It's even in the name. PeerTube. Peer. Your talking about 'consumers' of a product you produce vs a way to share videos that isn't YouTube with your .. PEERs.

Not 100k views videos. Think you should step back and think what your actually trying to debate or argue. It comes off kinda like your misunderstanding the software and conflating a lot of things that don't relate and not relevant to PeerTube.

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