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The short leash AI coding method for beating Fable

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Re: The short leash AI coding method for beating Fable

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Post by fny »

nqzero wrote: post #60
fny wrote: post #46

AI is a junior to mid-level engineer. If you treat it as such, you get the best of both vibe coding and rigorous engineering without all this paranoia. Since the very beginning I've ran Claude from an isolated VM on yolo mode. This is just like giving an engineer their own laptop. Claude works on a feature up to a PR worthy point. I review the diff, just like I would with another engineer, and massage it to get it in…

what VM/provisioning are you using ?

For work, EC2. For play, the cheapest VM I could find: https://vpshostingservice.co/

They have specials every now and then.

Re: The short leash AI coding method for beating Fable

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Post by codazoda »

1123581321 wrote: post #40
gambiting wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>You never use “YOLO” mode (aka “dangerously skip permissions”) Do you mean this? I'm curious how are people using Claude in any way other than bypass-permissions. I've tried for so long to maintain a curated list of things Claude can use, but inevitably I would always come back only to find it stuck because it decided to pipe an output of one tool into another and that's not explicitly allowed so it stopped even th…

I did it by making a huge database of allowlisted bash and having hooks check each one against the list. It makes a recursively parsed tree so it can handle gnarly blocks of bash. And then it outputs to the agent what failed and tells it to break it up next time. Then, in agent instructions, I impress on it strongly to use composable bash tools rather than trying to write python/ruby/perl scripts. It was a bit of wor…

This sounds like an interesting path. Wish I had time (instead of reading endless prompts and getting fatigued).

Re: The short leash AI coding method for beating Fable

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Post by codazoda »

lukasco wrote: post #58
gambiting wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>You never use “YOLO” mode (aka “dangerously skip permissions”) Do you mean this? I'm curious how are people using Claude in any way other than bypass-permissions. I've tried for so long to maintain a curated list of things Claude can use, but inevitably I would always come back only to find it stuck because it decided to pipe an output of one tool into another and that's not explicitly allowed so it stopped even th…

It's not YOLO, but auto mode in Claude Code does reduce the amount you have to approve significantly. And frankly, without it, progress is constantly interrupted by permission requests. It's all I use. Don't even really switch into Plan mode manually anymore.

I find it still asks too many questions. Unless I'm not triggering it as often as I think I am.

Re: The short leash AI coding method for beating Fable

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Post by rexarex »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #47
ofjcihen wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love this argument. Not because it’s true but because it betrays the posters doubt in their own sentience.

It's impossible for someone to doubt their own sentience. The literal act of doubting is enough to dissipate all doubt. Solipsism is essentially the one certainty that every mind out there has. Doubting the sentience of machines and even other humans is perfectly fine though. Only empathy allows people to make the leap and assume other humans have souls.

So you posit that humans are solipsistic by default, but some (most?) develop more and realize they’re not the only conscious being out there?

Re: The short leash AI coding method for beating Fable

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Post by giancarlostoro »

basilikum wrote: post #57
giancarlostoro wrote: post #56

Here I thought this was about Fable the video game, then I remembered Anthropics model got named Fable. It's going to be painful to google one of my favorite game series, just like googling "Rust server" does not give you Rust programming results, but Rust the video game results. I wish google would have fixed this problem long ago, it seems like something trivial for them to fix.

Fable -AI

Google has been crappifying their search the negative stuff doesn't always take.

Re: The short leash AI coding method for beating Fable

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Post by Foxhuls »

CodingJeebus wrote: post #49
ed_mercer wrote: post #34

I feel like OP is still in the year 2025. > The AI will have gone off the rails multiple times and you will only notice it later when you actually try to use the software. Except that said AI can now themselves use your software and find and fix bugs themselves, not to mention drive new features. >Your agent might go “off the rails” and start doing something you don’t want it to do This happens but far less often tha…

> I think we're mving towards humans no longer needing to understand a codebase, and letting AI drive it. Hard disagree. Even the best frontier models generate output that's not what I asked for. Sometimes I realize that I get lazy in my prompting and the lack of specificity winds up showing up in the output. Just the other day, a coworker built a huge feature using frontier models and it slipped an IDOR in. I just d…

I can't help but feel that this reads more as a reflection that you don't want to stop being a developer than it does that thing's aren't moving in the direction that the GP said it is.

Re: The short leash AI coding method for beating Fable

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Post by CamperBob2 »

FTA: Contrary to marketing statements made by certain CEOs, these models are not able to think beyond their training data.

The sheer cognitive dissonance needed to say something like that at a time when AI is delivering novel math proofs is... well, not actually impressive. Mostly, it's just sad.

Some part of him must know such a statement is not true, or more properly, that it's meaningless. But he says it anyway, because he thinks it makes an impression of insight and erudition on the listener.

If you think what it does is brilliant, you're not ready (to use AI.)

At some point in one's journey to engineering enlightenment, one recognizes how rarely "brilliance" is actually called for, and indeed how counterproductive such self-judged "brilliance" often turns out to be in the long run.

Clearly the author is still striving to reach this particular stage.

Re: The short leash AI coding method for beating Fable

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Post by fatata123 »

ed_mercer wrote: post #34

I feel like OP is still in the year 2025. > The AI will have gone off the rails multiple times and you will only notice it later when you actually try to use the software. Except that said AI can now themselves use your software and find and fix bugs themselves, not to mention drive new features. >Your agent might go “off the rails” and start doing something you don’t want it to do This happens but far less often tha…

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