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U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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Launch an unprovoked attack, do it under cover of negotiation, and then attack diplomatic envoys. Belligerence, perfidy, and I don't even know the term for that last part, it's so unheard-of. We have violated rules of warfare that were already old thousands of years ago. At what point do we admit we're the bad guys?

> At what point do we admit we're the bad guys?

There had already been so many chances in the last couple centuries. I'm not holding my breath.

Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

#42

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This is an absurd statement. Israel has been killing innocent people in the region since it was created. Iran is right to stand up to them. Bonus points that as an American they're also standing up for me against the Zionists who manipulate my government and steal my money.

I'm an American for sure doesn't represent me or are they standing up for me. You obviously don't listen to their supreme leaders hate speeches.

We are aligned against Zionism. Few countries are willing to stand up to Israel and Iran is #1 in that regard. Iran is the only country fighting the people bribing and blackmailing my government, stripping my rights and stealing my money.

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#43

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There is only so much you can do when you've been purchased by mossad.

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>It's not a conspiracy or anti-Semitic

it is if you think the reason is something that's not benign, or if you are keeping track of it and spreading it hoping to foment anger.

A hugely disproportionate number of Nobel Prizes have been won by Jews (22% vs 0.2% of total population) and that's with 6 million killed in the holocaust. By Occam's razor, that's a lot of really smart people, and I prefer having smart leaders.

Do you think the President of Mexico and Ukraine are Jewish because Mossad?

Let me guess, you think all the above is because they cheated?

Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> It's not a conspiracy or anti-Semitic it is if you think the reason is something that's not benign, or if you are keeping track of it and spreading it hoping to foment anger. A hugely disproportionate number of Nobel Prizes have been won by Jews (22% vs 0.2% of total population) and that's with 6 million killed in the holocaust. By Occam's razor, that's a lot of really smart people, and I prefer having smart leader…

Are you claiming Jews are more intelligent than non-Jews?

Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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https://archive.is/QIePX > In April, Mr. Ghalibaf was set to travel to Islamabad to meet with Vice President JD Vance. But Iranian security officials were concerned that Israel would use the opportunity to assassinate Mr. Ghalibaf or Mr. Araghchi to derail the talks, the officials said. > Iranians sought guarantees from the United States, through Pakistani and Qatari intermediaries, that Israel would not carry out an…

in what you quoted, nothing says "U.S. officials believed..." as the headline states

> U.S. officials believed that Israel might have been plotting to kill Iran’s top negotiators while Washington was engaged with Tehran in delicate talks this spring to reach an interim peace deal, according to current and former American officials.

> Killing senior Iranian leaders had been part of Israel’s strategy from the start of the war. But American concerns about the targeting of two particular Iranian officials — Abbas Araghchi, Iran’s foreign minister, and Mohammad Bagher Ghalibaf, the speaker of the Parliament — spiked during delicate cease-fire negotiations that began in April.

> Fearful that an Israeli assassination effort would doom the negotiations, the United States, according to some of the officials, went so far as to ask other countries in the region to warn Iran about the possibility Israel could target the two officials.

Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not a conspiracy or anti-Semitic it is if you think the reason is something that's not benign, or if you are keeping track of it and spreading it hoping to foment anger. A hugely disproportionate number of Nobel Prizes have been won by Jews (22% vs 0.2% of total population) and that's with 6 million killed in the holocaust. By Occam's razor, that's a lot of really smart people, and I prefer having smart leader…

Are you claiming Jews are more intelligent than non-Jews?

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Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

#47
I’d like someone to steel man for me why is this an HN-compliant topic?

I’d love to harp on Israel I don’t even mind being called an anti-Semite or whatever, but give some decent justification why this keeps coming up on Hacker News of all places.

Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

#48

While the IRGC works out how to eliminate Jews from the planet. “First they come for the Saturday people”

lmao IRGC isn't rolling on the US, neither is islam in general if that's where you were trying point to that in the silence.

remind me what is their national chant? https://www.iranintl.com/en/202511042838

Re: U.S. officials believed Israel was plotting to kill Iranian negotiators

#49
What you can read between the lines is far more interesting than the headline.

I am giving the NYT the credibility that they thoroughly check their sources, so the question is why would anyone from the US Government want this to be publicly available information?

It makes all involved parties look like idiots.

This report basically says that the us administration currently has terrible intelligence relationships with Israel, if they have not been informed officially as a direct strategic partner in the Iran war over the planned operation. It’s kinda important if your ally plans to blow up the people you negotiate your own peace deal with, don’t you think?

It also means that the "we don’t spy on allies", Americans, indeed spy on allies. I’m absolutely shocked. Shocked, I tell you.

How else do you get in possession of information that your war ally didn’t seem necessary to share, if not by spying?

It also says that Mossad/IDF leaks at the highest level because the assassination of government officials who are actively brokering a peace deal is a kind of very high-level decision.

Still, if this actually happened this way, it’s not a power play to make this public, it is dumb. But dumb is the signature move of the current US administration, so it makes the report even more believable.

Will be interesting to see how this develops.

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