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Re: Show HN: Pieces – Social network for people

#11

Post by dpoloncsak »

domo__knows wrote: post #5
dpoloncsak wrote: post #3

Do you have some sort of detection for 'faceless accounts' ? Or are you moderating that by hand? I like the idea, but how do you actually enforce the 'no bots' model?

Doing it by hand now. Besides the site itself, I have spent most of my time building out the backend automation. I imagine I can manage the first 10k users myself and opening it up slow enough that a community itself develops and will be self-policing. I got back on instagram recently and the first thing I see when I login now is content from repost accounts and it's like, do I really want to see this? Is this what h…

I hope this isn't coming off as snarky or anything, I am honestly interested in the project...

So you're thinking something like Twitter(X)'s community notes, but instead of flagging misinformation, it will be used to 'community flag' an account as AI? Maybe it shadow bans, maybe it brings it to moderation queue, whatever...

I've seen a few of these 'NO LLM ALLOWED' sites pop up now, but any countermeasure to LLM use is easily subverted. I think the only real way to keep the LLMs out is, as you seem to agree, some sort of user-reported system (But that seems open to fraud....difficult problem to solve!)

Re: Show HN: Pieces – Social network for people

#13

Post by domo__knows »

dpoloncsak wrote: post #11
domo__knows wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doing it by hand now. Besides the site itself, I have spent most of my time building out the backend automation. I imagine I can manage the first 10k users myself and opening it up slow enough that a community itself develops and will be self-policing. I got back on instagram recently and the first thing I see when I login now is content from repost accounts and it's like, do I really want to see this? Is this what h…

I hope this isn't coming off as snarky or anything, I am honestly interested in the project... So you're thinking something like Twitter(X)'s community notes, but instead of flagging misinformation, it will be used to 'community flag' an account as AI? Maybe it shadow bans, maybe it brings it to moderation queue, whatever... I've seen a few of these 'NO LLM ALLOWED' sites pop up now, but any countermeasure to LLM use…

For sure. AI is only getting better so it's not a promise I can make but it's worth stating from the beginning. But the thing about Meta/Twitter/etc.,. is that they're financially incentivized to promote these accounts (more eyes = more ad revenue) so that makes it even worse. There will never be an explicit financial incentive to run bot accounts/repost farms on PIECES (I'm sure people will try though).

I recognize that we'll have to re-think things once we hit millions of users (I am an optimist). But for the first ten thousand or hundred thousand, I'm confident we can keep it a people-centric place and then strategize for future growth once our strategies start to be less effective.

Re: Show HN: Pieces – Social network for people

#14

Post by kcoppock »

Do you have any plans to support Ultra HDR images, on the Android app and/or other platforms? I did some browsing of the site and didn't see any examples (but that doesn't mean it's unsupported).

I really enjoy that aspect for sharing photography on Instagram, and the support (at the client level, at least) is fairly straightforward (see https://developer.android.com/media/grow/ultra-hdr/display).

The idea of the platform does sound great, and the application seems very polished from what I can tell so far.

Re: Show HN: Pieces – Social network for people

#15

Post by domo__knows »

kcoppock wrote: post #14

Do you have any plans to support Ultra HDR images, on the Android app and/or other platforms? I did some browsing of the site and didn't see any examples (but that doesn't mean it's unsupported). I really enjoy that aspect for sharing photography on Instagram, and the support (at the client level, at least) is fairly straightforward (see https://developer.android.com/media/grow/ultra-hdr/display ). The idea of the pl…

I actually had to look this up. Currently we don't but apparently we could support it if you upload via the web. Our mobile apps use Expo and the native image picker re-encodes the image.

If you're interested still despite limitations (Ultra HDR Images also won't be seen by many people) I can look into this more.

Re: Show HN: Pieces – Social network for people

#16

Post by kcoppock »

domo__knows wrote: post #15
kcoppock wrote: post #14

Do you have any plans to support Ultra HDR images, on the Android app and/or other platforms? I did some browsing of the site and didn't see any examples (but that doesn't mean it's unsupported). I really enjoy that aspect for sharing photography on Instagram, and the support (at the client level, at least) is fairly straightforward (see https://developer.android.com/media/grow/ultra-hdr/display ). The idea of the pl…

I actually had to look this up. Currently we don't but apparently we could support it if you upload via the web. Our mobile apps use Expo and the native image picker re-encodes the image. If you're interested still despite limitations (Ultra HDR Images also won't be seen by many people) I can look into this more.

Thanks for taking a look! I haven't used Expo, but looking at the docs I wonder if using 'allowEditing: false' and 'exif: true' in the ImagePickerOptions would bypass reencoding? The gainmap is stored in the EXIF data. Instagram is similar in that the gainmap is stripped if you edit the image at all, cropping included, but if no crops or filters are done then the image retains the gainmap.

Either way if the clients are able to render the HDR images, I think uploading on web is still a usable implementation.

Re: Show HN: Pieces – Social network for people

#17

Post by domo__knows »

kcoppock wrote: post #16
domo__knows wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I actually had to look this up. Currently we don't but apparently we could support it if you upload via the web. Our mobile apps use Expo and the native image picker re-encodes the image. If you're interested still despite limitations (Ultra HDR Images also won't be seen by many people) I can look into this more.

Thanks for taking a look! I haven't used Expo, but looking at the docs I wonder if using 'allowEditing: false' and 'exif: true' in the ImagePickerOptions would bypass reencoding? The gainmap is stored in the EXIF data. Instagram is similar in that the gainmap is stripped if you edit the image at all, cropping included, but if no crops or filters are done then the image retains the gainmap. Either way if the clients a…

I just did some more research and we probably won't do the work until there's more demand. We can actually easily support it on desktop (we upload the raw bytes but always default to serving a compressed version, which I can override for HDR) but for mobile there's no drop-in solution for Expo apps and thus would have to build 4 new things (iOS and Android uploader and display components). That said, I'd like to do this because I want PIECES to have a rich visual experience and was thinking of recruiting more photographers, but probably not now. Thanks for your interest though.

Re: Show HN: Pieces – Social network for people

#18

Post by kcoppock »

domo__knows wrote: post #17
kcoppock wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for taking a look! I haven't used Expo, but looking at the docs I wonder if using 'allowEditing: false' and 'exif: true' in the ImagePickerOptions would bypass reencoding? The gainmap is stored in the EXIF data. Instagram is similar in that the gainmap is stripped if you edit the image at all, cropping included, but if no crops or filters are done then the image retains the gainmap. Either way if the clients a…

I just did some more research and we probably won't do the work until there's more demand. We can actually easily support it on desktop (we upload the raw bytes but always default to serving a compressed version, which I can override for HDR) but for mobile there's no drop-in solution for Expo apps and thus would have to build 4 new things (iOS and Android uploader and display components). That said, I'd like to do t…

That's fair enough, thanks for taking a look into it anyway!

Re: Show HN: Pieces – Social network for people

#19

Post by dofm »

A “social contract” that one party changes at will and then just announces the changes is not a contract (or social) in any meaningful sense. It’s just terms and conditions with a different name.

If you want people to see it as a different thing, it needs to be a different thing.

Re: Show HN: Pieces – Social network for people

#20

Post by danpalmer »

I like the idea at a social level/product level, but at this point I don't think I'd use any social network that wasn't open at a protocol level in some way. ATProto/etc would be a great tech backbone for this, and would then let users self host their content, it would let orgs run their own views, it would let archivers archive content for posterity, it would open the door to possible federation in ways that suited the network in the future. Re-inventing all of that from scratch would be a terrible idea, and would lose focus.
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