The vendor list contains your own product and you, as in the company you co-founded, pretty clearly sells IDP software. https://idp-software.com/vendors/konfuzio/
Why frontier LLMs can't read the hard documents without experts involved
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Re: Why frontier LLMs can't read the hard documents without experts involved
#12> We do not sell IDP software and we are not paid by any vendor named here. The vendor list contains your own product and you, as in the company you co-founded, pretty clearly sells IDP software. https://idp-software.com/vendors/konfuzio/
IDP is not a really sexy market. There are only a few people, who are working in the industry.
I do this in my free time to give small vendors a chance, as big corporates like Rossum, Abbyy, or Kofax (now Tungsten) just rule the market by their ads spent.
I can also make it closed source and ask for a fee to get listed as Gartner would do it in their IDP Magic Quadrant.
I did spend 1/580 of the time on the page konfuzio. Ok, true. And I spent 579/580 on the market. https://idp-software.com/sitemap.xml
Re: Why frontier LLMs can't read the hard documents without experts involved
#13> We do not sell IDP software and we are not paid by any vendor named here. The vendor list contains your own product and you, as in the company you co-founded, pretty clearly sells IDP software. https://idp-software.com/vendors/konfuzio/
I can make this more transparent; it's the same issue that Parashift had, which ran https://intelligentdocumentprocessing.com/ , which they terminated a month ago. IDP is not a really sexy market. There are only a few people, who are working in the industry. I do this in my free time to give small vendors a chance, as big corporates like Rossum, Abbyy, or Kofax (now Tungsten) just rule the market by their ads spent.…
Re: Why frontier LLMs can't read the hard documents without experts involved
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
I can make this more transparent; it's the same issue that Parashift had, which ran https://intelligentdocumentprocessing.com/ , which they terminated a month ago. IDP is not a really sexy market. There are only a few people, who are working in the industry. I do this in my free time to give small vendors a chance, as big corporates like Rossum, Abbyy, or Kofax (now Tungsten) just rule the market by their ads spent.…
Are you high?
Re: Why frontier LLMs can't read the hard documents without experts involved
#15I mean this is for handwritten OCR.. do humans do better? I've been using Qwen3.6 to OCR stuff, primary receipts and it frequently accurately reads stuff on mangled/faded/folded documents that I have a hard time with... including handwritten stuff (though that's not flawless).
ahahah, probably not. Looking at my own handwriting: Neither in writing nor in reading. I find it interesting how the prompt changes the result. If you let the model focus on the text, the open source got so good in the last year. That's remarkable. When you change to prompt to not only extract the text but also extract specific information, the pure text extraction result gets worse. For me, it worked to run two pro…
I thought about doing a pass with a non-vision-llm and and after having the vision llm give its result show it the non-vision and ask it if it needed to reconsider, but my test input was too easy to it to matter.
One thing I worried about was that my scans are big mostly empty pages, I thought this might not give enough attention to the receipt text and that I should do some preprocessing to crop the image. But, again, the results were too good without doing it that I don't think I could test if its an improvement or not.
I am also a little worried that reasoning about the content might make it hallucinate stuff, and worse have the hallucinations be credible enough to not get caught later. But the improvement it got from reasoning out genuinely unreadable parts made the risk worth it for my use.