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Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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why not simply make it illegal? why make it a ban specific to one company, are they trying to make their own copy?

They didn't ban any company, they just ordered public services and public companies not to use what has been classified as a security risk. Anybody here think that Palantir is not a security risk for Spain?

> Anybody here think that Palantir is not a security risk for Spain?

why is THAT your take and not "WTF WHY ARE THOSE CAMERAS LEGAL IN GENERAL?"

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If the data is encrypted before the upload I see no problem

Huawei is the complete data custodian. They are the ones doing the encrypting.

Maybe Spain has people on the inside (of Huawei.)

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Name the country and I will easy find the spots where it is not vibrant and modern, and then say "did you visit those?" Say, I heard France has great cuisine, but I had street food in Paris and it was meh.

Doesn’t change facts about Japan‘s problems. In certain parts they are just less visible.

Avoiding cherry picking does in fact change facts.

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How about Spanish servers? I will never understand this helplessness that comes from these European countries. They are choosing to be dependent on foreign powers.

You know, we all thought you were allies. But you tricked us well.

> Fool me once, shame on... shame on you

— George Bush, 2002

The original saying: Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

I think an intellectually honest take is that it's advantageous and prudent to depend on allies and neighbors; leveraging each party's strengths for efficiencies over strategic autonomy. This trade-off is commonly debated with depending on US military hardware in favor of EU military hardware (e.g. France's long standing position for EU strategic autonomy), or vendor lock-in with AWS vs cloud-independent offerings.

The problem is when an ally becomes inconsistent and/or uncooperative; a high stakes version of prisoner's dilemma. At which point do you replace an ally's offerings with more expensive, and often inferior, alternatives? The general populace rarely has the appetite for the short-term economic pain required to achieve long-term strategic independence.

Re: Spain Orders Blacklist of Palantir from Public and Private Companies

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Someday, the US will be just a bubble where no other country gives their data to. We continue this decent into fascism to the point that nobody likes us.. or values us. Is this their idea of Utopia?

Its what the US wants, and honestly at this point we should just completely cordon off the US from the rest of the world and give it to them.

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did you hit up wikipedia? the controversies section would be a start. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palantir#Controversies

This section is hilariously hostile towards Palantir. "Wired wrote that some people think Palantir "maintains a giant, centralized database of information collected from all of its clients", which is untrue." 'some people' is a classic weasel word[0] used to prop up the writer's opinion. This sentence is even funnier because it initially appears to state that Palantir has a centralized DB of clients data, only to fin…

> This section is hilariously hostile towards Palantir.

Funny, one comment ago you had no idea what the controversy around Palantir was. How could you possibly know the wikipedia article is hostile? It might be downplaying the controversies around Palantir.

This reaction almost makes it seem like you were being completely disingenuous with your first post, and had already made up your mind about Palantir. Curious.

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> heck even Microsoft are all supporters of "technofascism" no one in their right mind is going to argue with that, not sure what your point is

Microsoft, a company mostly centered in the Pacific Northwest, is not exactly full of right wingers: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/microsoft-corp/summary?id=d...

Most of their employees are foreign and dont even fall on the left right poltical spectrum.

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Microsoft, a company mostly centered in the Pacific Northwest, is not exactly full of right wingers: https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/microsoft-corp/summary?id=d...

Most of their employees are foreign and dont even fall on the left right poltical spectrum.

This is a company where 88% of employe political contributions went to Democrats. Even if many employees are apolitical, the allegations of fascism are absurd.

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"he hilariously tries to convince people that the best way to have democracy is to not have it at all." I'm sorry but I can't find where he said this. I'm finding it confusing and suspicious that the objections to Palantir & Alex Karp are all so vague and seem to lack the rigour typically required of assertions made here on YN. Usually if you declare something like someone "argues clearly for authoritarianism," you'r…

How would you interpret Thiel's “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible"? Are you going to suggest that Thiel's role as chairman of Palantir is ceremonial and he's just there to make the tea and arrange the flowers?

> How would you interpret Thiel's “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible"?

The point is that democracies tend to want to erode liberties. Take the age gating bills floating around as an example.

The solution Thiel proposes is not eliminating democracy. It's building technology that governments cannot easily control. Cryptocurrency is one good example of this.

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Much of Spain is indeed getting very unpleasant in the summer with climate change, but in the north there are still regions that are quite fine at the moment. Where I am, we recently beat the all time temperature record with 35 degrees, but that was a single day. Most days these weeks it isn't going over 25, and I don't think we hit 30 in June except for that single day and maybe one other day. The problem is that th…

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I'm not a fan of that, but it's not like the opposition is going to be different in that respect (or like they have been different in the past). It's the companies and elites who are demanding those migrants to keep wages low, so the right will happily provide.

We will get the same migration policy (maybe with some purely aesthetic changes for show), but with the whole kit of fawning over Trump and the US, denying or minimizing climate change, cutting taxes for the wealthy, privatizing public services and so on.

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