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Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data

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Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data

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Honestly, it’s wild that selling people’s precise location data was ever treated like a normal business model.

We already know massive data harvesting has happened. Laws like this are just the bare minimum for catching up.

Would be nice if they could bring in laws that would punish these companies out of existence, but I doubt it.

Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data

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post #4

So, instead you buy a "custom computer", and the data is completely free! Its like how FLOCK gets around pesky data laws. The devices coat a lot, but the software dashboard access is "Completely free*"

I can't find it so it's probably just a myth, but I recall hearing about "free beer with purchase of food" at bars during prohibition. However, I think it was more than just the sale that was prohibited.

Raines Law in that late 1800s put restrictions on the sale of alcohol in NY on Sundays. Bartenders used a loophole of the drinks being served with a meal to get around it.

They would make a single sandwich, "serve" it to the patron along with their drink, then immediately take back the sandwich to "serve" it to the next person wanting a drink

https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/raines-sandwich

Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data

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post #7

NYTimes article a few years ago on how car insurance companies were using such data. Tracking sudden stoos, driving at night, driving faster than 80 mph, etc.

Exactly. Exchanging private and personal user data without consent and without users being aware of it, for their profits.

Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data

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A good start. From 2024: "A company allegedly tracked people’s visits to nearly 600 Planned Parenthood locations across 48 states and provided that data for one of the largest anti-abortion ad campaigns in the nation, according to an investigation" - https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/13/planned-parenthood-...

Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data

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Bill: https://lis.virginia.gov/bill-details/20261/SB338/text/SB338 > Virginia follows Maryland and Oregon in banning the sale of geolocation data. Both Maryland and Oregon more broadly define “sale” to mean the exchange of personal data “for monetary or other valuable consideration.” Virginia joins several other states that have recently proposed legislation with similar bans, including California, Massachusetts, Ver…

Funny how two states with a large number of elected officials living in them opt for privacy first.

Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data

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Bill: https://lis.virginia.gov/bill-details/20261/SB338/text/SB338 > Virginia follows Maryland and Oregon in banning the sale of geolocation data. Both Maryland and Oregon more broadly define “sale” to mean the exchange of personal data “for monetary or other valuable consideration.” Virginia joins several other states that have recently proposed legislation with similar bans, including California, Massachusetts, Ver…

Funny how two states with a large number of elected officials living in them opt for privacy first.

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Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data

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post #10

So let's say a Delaware incorporated company sells location data that happens to be collected in Virginia, but its sold from the corporation with no operations in Virginia. What happens? On the other hand us-east-1 is in Virginia with who knows how many payment processing servers running.

The same thing that happens in court cases across state lines. It goes to one of the jurisdictions in a lawsuit unless it qualifies for diversity jurisdiction and goes to a federal court.

Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data

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I was intrigued, because even a broad location given for an IP address is "geolocation data", but the law says "precise geolocation data" which limits it to device-reported data, I assume.

It likely fits the definition of precise location data that you can configure on mobile settings (it's a finer grained option you can enable when sharing your location).

Re: Virginia bans sale of precise geolocation data

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post #13
post #7

NYTimes article a few years ago on how car insurance companies were using such data. Tracking sudden stoos, driving at night, driving faster than 80 mph, etc.

Exactly. Exchanging private and personal user data without consent and without users being aware of it, for their profits.

It’s important to understand that in the USA, data is owned by the collector (eg. The app or SaaS who generated it), not the person who is described by it.

Until this legal regime changes, we will constantly be playing whack-a-mole with laws like this.

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