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Re: No LLM Code in Dependencies

#51
post #33

This is completely infeasible in the age of mythos. The reality is that the velocity is just not going to feasible from a security PoV without leveraging these tools.

Analysing codebases with LLMs to find security vulnerabilities is completely unrelated to committing code generated with LLMs

and how do you propose fixing the hundreds, if not thousands, of valid, impactful security bugs that frontier models will find?

Re: No LLM Code in Dependencies

#52
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Analysing codebases with LLMs to find security vulnerabilities is completely unrelated to committing code generated with LLMs

and how do you propose fixing the hundreds, if not thousands, of valid, impactful security bugs that frontier models will find?

That seems like an unfounded assumption. Why should one assume that Git Annex has hundreds or thousands of critical, exploitable security vulnerabilities?

Re: No LLM Code in Dependencies

#53
post #50

What confuses me about this stance is that LLMs are basically indistinguishable from any mid-to-low-tier dev. And those we've let into our codebases with no concerns. Hell, some even threw parties inviting in more of them. At least LLMs don't call HR on you when you rightfully tell them that they're full of shit. Though.. well. Claude probably might.

This. So many assumptions. If you disclose you used an LLM, it is immediately assumed all of it is done by an LLM.

If there is a bug, its because you are a lazy piece of shit, not because humans make mistakes, and you missed it. It is branded slop.

We're living in interesting times, socially, OSS will die because of this.

Contributors are dwindling, and will continue to do so. If you want to play in your sandbox, please do. Don't open-source, keep it to yourself.

Re: No LLM Code in Dependencies

#55
How come all the open source projects are fretting over the copyright status of LLM code but big companies are just vibe coding slop all day for their internal closed source projects without a care in the world?

Re: No LLM Code in Dependencies

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

and how do you propose fixing the hundreds, if not thousands, of valid, impactful security bugs that frontier models will find?

That seems like an unfounded assumption. Why should one assume that Git Annex has hundreds or thousands of critical, exploitable security vulnerabilities?

This isn't a problem that is isolated to Git Annex. There are many maintainers out there taking anti-LLM stances, and you don't have to look very far to find OSS projects drowning from the wave of bugs.

https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2026/05/26/the-pressure/

Re: No LLM Code in Dependencies

#57

This is completely infeasible in the age of mythos. The reality is that the velocity is just not going to feasible from a security PoV without leveraging these tools.

In ten years we'll look at human written code like the unreliable garbage it is, and never rely on anything that wasn't at least seriously looked over by an LLM. It won't be even close.

> never rely on anything that wasn't at least seriously looked over by an LLM

I can imagine LLMs becoming a mainstay, but what you are describing isn't wholly different from sufficiently advanced static code analysis - where you'd want more determinism than most LLMs normally provide.

The problem is that such a thing might take a decade and billions of dollars of investments to create per-language (e.g. actually useful code analysis for Java, for Spring Boot, for processing and validating form data, and DB schemas and document processing and rendering reports etc., literal domain checks for anything and everything that is common across various enterprises) so nobody wants to do that, so it's easier to throw LLMs at it and call it good enough.

Re: No LLM Code in Dependencies

#58
post #50

What confuses me about this stance is that LLMs are basically indistinguishable from any mid-to-low-tier dev. And those we've let into our codebases with no concerns. Hell, some even threw parties inviting in more of them. At least LLMs don't call HR on you when you rightfully tell them that they're full of shit. Though.. well. Claude probably might.

Godot's recent announcement spelled something out clearly: when a mid-tier rando contributes, you can provide feedback to that person and possibly help them grow into being a senior contributor or even a maintainer. That possibility of helping the human behind the code is part of the motivation for doing open-source. Mentoring shitty devs is itself giving back to the community, in a different form than the code itself is. And that is qualitatively different than giving feedback to an LLM.

Re: No LLM Code in Dependencies

#59
post #31
post #16

It's nicely symmetrical, because conversely I prefer my LLM-generated code to have no dependencies.

It isn't your code, it is stolen.

I guess code you get from a book too? Or learning it, and typing it out after you've mastered a particular algorithm?

(FYI I'm not disputing that the LLM vendors didn't steal, that doesn't mean the technology is shit)

Re: No LLM Code in Dependencies

#60

How come all the open source projects are fretting over the copyright status of LLM code but big companies are just vibe coding slop all day for their internal closed source projects without a care in the world?

Risk exposure of "internal closed source" vs "open source". No one (external) cares nor can inspect a companies pile of internal utilities and code. As long as the code works than there's no problems.

Everyone and their cat can look at open source projects, which can and will result in being called out publicly. This can also have legal ramifications on the project itself.

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