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Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

djaro wrote: post #41

As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is the lack of monetization. I think people who don't make videos for a living severely underestimate how expensive it is to produce high-quality videos people want to watch. This isn't like writing a tweet or even posting a picture on Instagram. Even a decent 20-minute video can easily take 40 man-hours of high-skilled labor. I have a pretty small…

"As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is lack of monetization."

As a computer user I see that as the main advantage

No third party intermediary

No advertising

Computer users need peer-to-peer options for sharing video with each other that do not use third party advertising companies, e.g., posing as "search engine" or "social media", to transfer the bits

Whether PeerTube works well, I do not know. I know that overlay networks I have tested work well enough

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by stonogo »

djaro wrote: post #41

As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is the lack of monetization. I think people who don't make videos for a living severely underestimate how expensive it is to produce high-quality videos people want to watch. This isn't like writing a tweet or even posting a picture on Instagram. Even a decent 20-minute video can easily take 40 man-hours of high-skilled labor. I have a pretty small…

this is the strongest endorsement of peertube I've seen so far

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by roadside_picnic »

dinkleberg wrote: post #56
paxys wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are 100M+ channels uploading on YouTube regularly and only 2-3M of them are monetized. Not everyone wants to upload videos on the internet with the explicit goal of making money. Professional creators are a very tiny minority, and a platform like YouTube will always be better suited for them (your "small" channel with 100K subscribers is actually in the top 0.5-0.1% of YouTube). There is no reason for Peertube…

Yet those 2-3M channels get the lions share of the views. It is a two-sided system. And if you want to attract viewers, you need what they want to watch. Looking on the front page of peertube the most viewed video I see has 29 views. If I sort by hot, the "hottest" video has 692 in a month. If the intent is to publish videos to have people watch it, PeerTube is clearly not the place to do that.

> Yet those 2-3M channels get the lions share of the views.

...because they're directly tied to YouTube own revenue.

As someone who creates a fair bit of content, and am fortunate enough not to have to worry about the revenue from that, I deliberately try to minimize monetization because it ultimately becomes the main driving force behind your content creation.

Monetization as the only model for content creation leads to an incredibly safe and boring world while simultaneously meaning every piece of content you interact with is trying to extract money from you the viewer.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by PakG1 »

TechSquidTV wrote: post #149
ChuckMcM wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you ever think about the fact that if you're making $500 - $1000 per video on average that means Google is making $5000 - $10,000 on each of your videos on average? I mean its working for you, and that's great. I am a student of information asymmetric markets and the whole 'Ad supported' business that Google runs on all of its properties is perhaps the largest one in the current time frame. The point being that bu…

Google splits with the creator 50-50. If you got paid $1000, so did Google. And given their hosting infrastructure, network, and other tools, I would say it's a miracle they don't charge to upload.

Not a miracle if the math works out such that their margins cover the infrastructural fixed costs. Just simple economics.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by ndriscoll »

WarmWash wrote: post #36
CM30 wrote: post #15

It's a promising system, and I'd probably use it over a non-federated video hosting system if I wanted to run a video hosting site of some kind. Yet it's currently hard to find a real usecase for it, since neither the content you want nor audience is there on PeerTube at the moment. If you're interested in open source software or data privacy you might find something here or there, but topics like gaming, music, spor…

Creators get 60% of youtube's ad revenue from youtube. What does Peertube pay? There is your answer. If people want good stuff, there needs to be money flowing to the source of it. The internet desperately needs to shed this "everything good is totally free" mindset, because what it actually manifests as is "I love taking without the requirement of giving".

What an absolutely bizarre thing to write in response to a link to a completely free software project with 541 contributors. Here you have hundreds of people who are exactly giving away highly skilled work for free.

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by ShinyLeftPad »

dymk wrote: post #63
paxys wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can't shut down the service because there is no single service. They can go after individual servers, and that is fine. The admin is responsible for what happens on their server.

Why would an admin run a server if they might have the feds knocking at their door? Sure, people might run nodes that host only their content, but they sure are disincentivized from running any sort of shared service. This is the same problem as TOR exit nodes and why 3 letter agencies run most of them.

it's a safe harbor. If the admin unlists videos when they get a DMCA takedown they are in the green.

believe it or not, YT too gets a crapload of copyrighted content uploaded hourly yet they exist

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by nicechianti »

djaro wrote: post #41

As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is the lack of monetization. I think people who don't make videos for a living severely underestimate how expensive it is to produce high-quality videos people want to watch. This isn't like writing a tweet or even posting a picture on Instagram. Even a decent 20-minute video can easily take 40 man-hours of high-skilled labor. I have a pretty small…

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Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by ShinyLeftPad »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #148
ShinyLeftPad wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says "at least"... on many channels there's videos with just a few views and videos with tons of views with much more than 10x difference

That's fair, Google admitted in the DoJ trial where it was convicted of being a monopolist that the revenues that it paid out were roughly 10% of the revenues it collected. If you have fewer than a requisite number of subscribers they keep 100% of the monetization proceeds. I was simply struck by the parallels between the way YouTube has grown up and how the whole movie industry grew up.

Wow, how many subscribers does one need to have?

Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by [deleted] »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #140
djaro wrote: post #41

As a professional YouTuber, the main issue I instantly see with this is the lack of monetization. I think people who don't make videos for a living severely underestimate how expensive it is to produce high-quality videos people want to watch. This isn't like writing a tweet or even posting a picture on Instagram. Even a decent 20-minute video can easily take 40 man-hours of high-skilled labor. I have a pretty small…

Do you ever think about the fact that if you're making $500 - $1000 per video on average that means Google is making $5000 - $10,000 on each of your videos on average? I mean its working for you, and that's great. I am a student of information asymmetric markets and the whole 'Ad supported' business that Google runs on all of its properties is perhaps the largest one in the current time frame. The point being that bu…

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Re: PeerTube is a free, decentralized and federated video platform

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Post by ndriscoll »

CM30 wrote: post #15

It's a promising system, and I'd probably use it over a non-federated video hosting system if I wanted to run a video hosting site of some kind. Yet it's currently hard to find a real usecase for it, since neither the content you want nor audience is there on PeerTube at the moment. If you're interested in open source software or data privacy you might find something here or there, but topics like gaming, music, spor…

You don't need (or likely even want, c.f. "eternal September") the general public. You just need your discussion group. e.g. if you want discussion of mathematics from world renowned experts like Terence Tao or Tim Gowers, you would use Mastodon.
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