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Job seekers giving up: Labor force participation falls to lowest in 50 years

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Re: Job seekers giving up: Labor force participation falls to lowest in 50 years

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Headline cropped. It's the lowest participation rate "outside the Covid era". Original headline: "Job seekers giving up: Labor force participation rate falls to lowest in 50 years, outside of the Covid era "

In other words, the job market is as bad as during a global pandemic, on this particular metric.

Re: Job seekers giving up: Labor force participation falls to lowest in 50 years

#22

Sounds more like people retire somewhat early - for 25-54yo labor force participation near all time high: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300060 And here is one for 55+yo: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11324230 All is fine

> However, in June the biggest plunge came from what is defined as “prime age” workers, or those between the ages of 25 and 54. That rate fell 0.6 percentage point to 83.3%, its lowest since December 2023. It's great how two sources can tell a completely different story about the same numbers.

>>its lowest since December 2023.

That should already make you skeptical, and after looking at the chart, I'm more on side "all is fine" than the doom narrative the article is pushing.

Re: Job seekers giving up: Labor force participation falls to lowest in 50 years

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The money printing during COVID screwed everything up. Most of the capital was directly given to banks and businesses, fraudulently in many cases and unnecessarily in most, and everything pooled up into real estate and stocks so anyone who had already owned a large proportion of those became absurdly wealthy in the span of a couple years and everyone else effectively lost 20-30% of their income through inflation. The…

> The capital was either directly given to businesses, fraudulently and unnecessarily in many cases Especially concerning when a bunch of politicians were in on it, ensuring that the money went out willy-nilly and that $700+ billion in "loans" were turned into a straight up gift from the taxpayers. https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/cre... https://fortune.com/2020/07/08/ppp-loan-recipients-membe…

>ensuring that the money went out willy-nilly and that $700+ billion in "loans" were turned into a straight up gift from the taxpayers.

Wasn't that widely understood during the pandemic? All the coverage I've seen mentioned that the loans for forgivable if certain criteria were met, and nobody was like "yeah it's fine because it's a loan!".

Re: Job seekers giving up: Labor force participation falls to lowest in 50 years

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post #12

The money printing during COVID screwed everything up. Most of the capital was directly given to banks and businesses, fraudulently in many cases and unnecessarily in most, and everything pooled up into real estate and stocks so anyone who had already owned a large proportion of those became absurdly wealthy in the span of a couple years and everyone else effectively lost 20-30% of their income through inflation. The…

You get the money back the same way Roosevelt did, 94% tax rate on the rich.

Wealth reform is needed more than any point in American history

Re: Job seekers giving up: Labor force participation falls to lowest in 50 years

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It was never AI, it’s not “recession”, it’s not xyz, it’s simply since covid the wealth distribution got worse, further. It’s why you see the very few are with an exponential networth increase while the majority are suffering, at the same time, those who hold that networth are pulling all sort of shenanigans to keep the market alive and far from crashing for as long as possible, but it’s eminent and it will happen soon, the only exception is starting a major war to meat grind all these young men otherwise they will revolt for sure.

Re: Job seekers giving up: Labor force participation falls to lowest in 50 years

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Sounds more like people retire somewhat early - for 25-54yo labor force participation near all time high: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11300060 And here is one for 55+yo: https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LNS11324230 All is fine

55+ crushing it on the asset inflation mania they got at ~zero interest, the youngins left holding the bag of the inflationary cost renting out houses their seniors got negative real interest mortgages for.

Re: Job seekers giving up: Labor force participation falls to lowest in 50 years

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post #12

The money printing during COVID screwed everything up. Most of the capital was directly given to banks and businesses, fraudulently in many cases and unnecessarily in most, and everything pooled up into real estate and stocks so anyone who had already owned a large proportion of those became absurdly wealthy in the span of a couple years and everyone else effectively lost 20-30% of their income through inflation. The…

You get the money back the same way Roosevelt did, 94% tax rate on the rich.

And yet, the amount of redistribution that's happening has never been higher, far exceeding the era of "94% tax rate on the rich", never mind that nobody actually paid that rate because the tax code was full of exemptions at the time.

https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20260221_IRC...

https://www.economist.com/content-assets/images/20260221_IRC...

Re: Job seekers giving up: Labor force participation falls to lowest in 50 years

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post #23
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The capital was either directly given to businesses, fraudulently and unnecessarily in many cases Especially concerning when a bunch of politicians were in on it, ensuring that the money went out willy-nilly and that $700+ billion in "loans" were turned into a straight up gift from the taxpayers. https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/cre... https://fortune.com/2020/07/08/ppp-loan-recipients-membe…

>ensuring that the money went out willy-nilly and that $700+ billion in "loans" were turned into a straight up gift from the taxpayers. Wasn't that widely understood during the pandemic? All the coverage I've seen mentioned that the loans for forgivable if certain criteria were met, and nobody was like "yeah it's fine because it's a loan!".

The problem is that these loans went to _businesses_, not workers. There was an orgy of corruption, with newly formed LLCs claiming to have dozens of workers.

And then these loans were just forgiven. And since they went to businesses, Republicans are completely silent about that.

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paycheck_Protection_Program

Re: Job seekers giving up: Labor force participation falls to lowest in 50 years

#30

Today I read about Accenture Norway taking in 56 summer internship students from over...1600 applicants. Record year, they reported. Previously I imagined only the top-top tier firms could enjoy low single-digit acceptance rate, but here we have Accenture crushing it. Competition must be tough. (But for what I know, could be that AI has made it easier for people to spam everyone with applications)

It’s too easy to apply now, the acceptance rate is not really a meaningful number
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