Live data from Hacker News

The US Government Is Now a Shareholder in 26 Companies

moeonmargin.substack.com

101–110 of 131 posts

Re: The US Government Is Now a Shareholder in 26 Companies

#101
post #76

I know it is not the same thing, but in case people aren't already aware, Alaskan residents have long owned stocks in private companies. It is called the Alaska Permanent Fund and a constitutionally established sovereign wealth fund invested in a diversified portfolio and managed by a state-owned corporation, the Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation. Earnings help fund the state government and annual dividend checks are…

it is not the same thing :)

Re: The US Government Is Now a Shareholder in 26 Companies

#102
post #76

I know it is not the same thing, but in case people aren't already aware, Alaskan residents have long owned stocks in private companies. It is called the Alaska Permanent Fund and a constitutionally established sovereign wealth fund invested in a diversified portfolio and managed by a state-owned corporation, the Alaska Permanent Fund Corporation. Earnings help fund the state government and annual dividend checks are…

it is not the same thing :)

I admitted as much, but I think a lot of people interested in the concept of government ownership of private corporations may enjoy broadening their knowledge and understanding of existing sovereign wealth funds within the United States.

I'm sorry if your interest wasn't piqued or you were already aware of the fund.

Re: The US Government Is Now a Shareholder in 26 Companies

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like it'd be a lot cheaper to work with china rather than pretend like they're going to attack us.

When it comes to China it's best to remember the Boy and the Rattlesnake Story.

lmao who's the boy and who's the snake here? the US spent 40 years offshoring manufacturing to china for cheap labor to juice corporate profits, then acts shocked when china built industrial capacity we voluntarily handed them. if anyone got "bitten" it's because we sold the farm for fatter earnings reports.

Re: The US Government Is Now a Shareholder in 26 Companies

#104
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issues with this are precedent/slippery slope. Today it's a small stake in a small number of companies, but empirically government initiatives almost always grow. Once entrenched, I would be willing to bet that the government will take larger and larger stakes in a bigger and bigger number of companies until this model becomes a non-trivial, potentially dominant, share of the economy. I can see myself becoming a…

Anything is a slippery slope if you resign to it. It's not like governments have never been willing (or forced) to privatize or reduce their roles in markets. We are exchanging ideas on a government initiative

Not anything. There are domains where precedents empirically don’t balloon and domains where they do. Federal government is nearly always the latter.

Re: The US Government Is Now a Shareholder in 26 Companies

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like it'd be a lot cheaper to work with china rather than pretend like they're going to attack us.

When it comes to China it's best to remember the Boy and the Rattlesnake Story.

Is the USA the rattlesnake? Because who has china bitten? The USA is in constant war.

Re: The US Government Is Now a Shareholder in 26 Companies

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly, few would oppose a stake in rare earths mining or something, but the more likely endgame of this is a government stake in companies like Google and Palantir. Which will inevitably lead to even more influence and “special access” privileges. Edit: others have pointed out that the government likely already had investments in most of these tech firms through In-Q-Tel, which is also a potential issue, but that’s…

I'm against the government having stake in any private company. It incentivizes the wrong behaviors. Regulations need to be written by a neutral party. Policy decisions need to be fair and balanced between the players in the market, not favoring one that they "own".

I agree with you that it’s a bad idea, I just don’t think there are many in the US right now who care. And I myself have to grudgingly accept that industrial policy is probably going to happen in areas like strategic resources, even if I don’t like it. I just think it has to stop at a very low level, or you quickly end up with the government owning 25% of Blackrock in order to prop up the market.

Do I think we have that kind of restraint? No. It’s probably going to end up this way. Our future is all the bad parts of China without any of the good.

Re: The US Government Is Now a Shareholder in 26 Companies

#108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Really? It is quite fashionable to call the US fascist while going gaga at other countries that have similar or worse conditions. Let me bring receipts. https://www.econstor.eu/bitstream/10419/263159/1/1815112018.... The most striking difference is that top investors in Europe hold much higher stakes than in the United States. The top ten in Europe features several governments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:…

Far from the same thing. Most of these are ex government monopolies, some still are. We also don't have dictators taking over all parts of our governments. Hitler did join forces with industrialists.

Re: The US Government Is Now a Shareholder in 26 Companies

#109

The investments listed here in the article make this seem like an effort to shore up or incentivize industries or companies that are integral to national defense. One example, in the ongoing US-China trade war one of the strongest moves China did was put [export controls on rare earth minerals][1] which are essential components across technology, defense, and healthcare to name a few. The government investing in thes…

Seems like it'd be a lot cheaper to work with china rather than pretend like they're going to attack us.

I mean they could, they aren't a democracy and could easily fall back into Maoism with the next regime change

Re: The US Government Is Now a Shareholder in 26 Companies

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems like it'd be a lot cheaper to work with china rather than pretend like they're going to attack us.

When it comes to China it's best to remember the Boy and the Rattlesnake Story.

We’ll need a more apt parable for dueling superpowers and the effect on their citizens. Perhaps “The Giants and the Ants”, where the ants beseech the giants to stop stepping on them as they fight in the fields where they have built their nest. Each of the giants argue that if they look down to avoid stepping on the ants, their rival will gain advantage and win the duel. When the ants ask the giants why they must duel in the first place, the giants will not understand their question at all.
Post reply on HN