I am a doctor. Pfizer Covid vaccine gave me a left leg DVT plus a peripheral neuropathy. I will never take another mRNA vaccine again.
You being a doctor matters how? Plenty of idiot antivax doctors out there.
Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
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Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#452The link in the article does not show the study, just a list of references, a summary and the researchers who published it. How many of the researchers who published this study have conflicts of interest? Where is the full study for review?
The first link in the article goes straight to the study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...
I saw that and described the page you linked. The actual study is gate kept behind a paywall or "institutional access".
"Get full text access - Log in, subscribe or purchase for full access."
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#453Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
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You can just do both. "Here are the reports, here are the numbers simplified, and here is our declared risk analysis. Yet, whenever I try to look up anything with regards to health/medicine, I find dozens of people/orgs repeating the last bit, and the first bits are hard to come across if you dont already know where to look. Its so avoided that im not surprised some people think its intentionally hidden. Saying somet…
Okay so you're upset that people propagate the easy-to-understand information much more thoroughly than the super technical hard-to-understand information?
Im not upset. My critique is that societal health communicators are doing a poor job at communicating risk, and instead fall back on just making the claim that something is safe and everyone should listen to them.
Taking a complex topic and distilling it into simple, consumable bites that your audience can injest is what communication is. Yet, so much communication takes the easy route of "the public cant possibly understand this, well just say its safe or unsafe".
If you see this as an unavoidable, then I see the breakdown of trust of these institutions to be unavoidable too, as their ability to communicate is too poor.
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It always is. Nobody was forced to take the vaccine and when these first rolled out there was a brochure of potential side effects.
For many, they could choose to lose their jobs and let their families go hungry, tantamount to being forced.
The only people that really qualify for this is military service people. Everyone else could take weekly covid tests. The rule to require vaccines more generally was pretty quickly struck down.
So you are right. I shouldn't have said "nobody". But also, it's not exactly everyone.
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
#456Earlier quoted context omitted.
The first link in the article goes straight to the study: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...
I saw that and described the page you linked. The actual study is gate kept behind a paywall or "institutional access". "Get full text access - Log in, subscribe or purchase for full access."
Yes, it's unfortunate that the Lancet is not an Open Access journal. But, as you say, you can just purchase the paper if you wish to read it
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Yes, I think you are correct in reducing the argument to its basic factors. Yep, its fucked up. However if we’re going to talk about moral responsibility for vaccine mandates, we also have to consider moral responsibility for non-vaccination leading to spread of a dangerous virus during a pandemic. If you are going to hold one group responsible for vaccine-related deaths of mandated vaccines, you must also hold the g…
Young people are actually right then in never ever taking any vaccine recommended by public policy ever again. If taking a vaccine is against your personal interest, and nevertheless public policy, that is the consequence. It is one thing to make a judgement error in the heat of a crisis, it is quite another one to deny afterwards what a huge fuckup it has been.
There was only one category that it made sense to refuse the covid mrna vaccine in hindsight (excluding specific medical conditions), that was if you were over 10 and under 25 AND gave yourself greater than ~1,000 to 1 odds of not catching covid. That's based on the fact that the chance of a young healthy individual having a severe negative outcome from the vaccine was that much less likely than a sever negative reaction from catching covid. So yes in a vacuum you can say that having the mrna covid vaccine when you don't need it is a negative but "don't need' is specifically if you have low odds of catching the disease not low odds of having a bad outcome from the disease. I'd say a preeminently foolish bet by the time the vaccine was actually available.
I suppose you could also argue other categories based on higher or lower ages and who gave themselves lower chances of ever catching covid could technically also fall into that group. You could also argue moral reasons not to get the vaccine but I'd say in any situation where you still expected to get healthcare that detracted from the healthcare of others (i.e when the hospitals were at capacity and your treatment could kill another) would be morally bankrupt.
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If you're already at the point of thinking about national politics, you won't have an impact. If your goal is to get more people vaccinated, the best thing you can do is going to be local. Funding or volunteering at free vaccination drives. Getting vaccination science into your local school curriculum early. Asking your local health department what they are struggling with.
Yes and ... It's important, if one is able, to also push towards supporting a regulatory process that allows vaccines to be researched, productized, tested, approved, and covered by insurers. All of which the current US administration is actively trying to attack. I'm normally on the side of Trump et al. simply being incompetent or stupid, but the anti-vax campaign by RFK Jr. at HHS is 100% targeted and coordinated a…
Yes and! Absolutely.
But.
Each of us as individuals has only a little time each day to spend on things like this. You don't have a path to fixing national politics. You CAN help locally.
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No, you really don't need to "blindly trust" the entities doing the studies. I work in clinical trials. I know how they work. You do not.
>I work in clinical trials. I know how they work. You do not. Ah, that makes perfect sense. It is hard for a man to understand something when their salary depends on them not understanding it.
It's even harder when he's completely uncurious about how the world actually works ;)
Re: Global review confirms mRNA vaccines are safe, effective and full of promise
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Okay so you're upset that people propagate the easy-to-understand information much more thoroughly than the super technical hard-to-understand information?
Im not upset. My critique is that societal health communicators are doing a poor job at communicating risk, and instead fall back on just making the claim that something is safe and everyone should listen to them. Taking a complex topic and distilling it into simple, consumable bites that your audience can injest is what communication is. Yet, so much communication takes the easy route of "the public cant possibly un…
They literally do not do that though.
They publish information at every level of specificity and detail!
Anyone who is actually curious and not just doing this lazy meta-commentary game could find all the information they need at any level of specificity or technicality they want.