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How to ask for help from people who don't know you

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Re: How to ask for help from people who don't know you

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This was an excellently written, salient post with some good tidbits. I've learned some of these lessons the hard way. I'll add a few. Proof of work is important, but it's not about the magnitude of energy you spend. I went through two iterations of reaching out to my college network. The first time I put so much time into handwriting notes and trying to provide my relatable background. 100 notes, not a single respon…

+1 that there are few things more exhausting than listening to someone's "proof of work"

i'd rephrase as "visible lack of effort is problematic" - anything above that passes the bar for me, and other factors become critical

Re: How to ask for help from people who don't know you

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post #16

For technical requests, one of the most effective ways to demonstrate that you are serious is to cite something about the person's published work that is relevant to the request. There is no more effective way to get someone's attention than showing that you have read and appreciated something they've written.

unfortunately everyone is now doing this with LLMs, it actually feels like it might be on its way to being a negative signal, as strange as that sounds.

Re: How to ask for help from people who don't know you

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This was an excellently written, salient post with some good tidbits. I've learned some of these lessons the hard way. I'll add a few. Proof of work is important, but it's not about the magnitude of energy you spend. I went through two iterations of reaching out to my college network. The first time I put so much time into handwriting notes and trying to provide my relatable background. 100 notes, not a single respon…

> I went through two iterations of reaching out to my college network. The first time I put so much time into handwriting notes and trying to provide my relatable background. 100 notes, not a single response.

This is a thoughtful gesture, but there are at least two problems with it

First, a handwritten note isn't easy to respond to. With an e-mail, you can leave the message in your inbox until you have time to respond and then it's one click to start responding. With a hand-written letter the recipient would have to context-switch from reading mail to using a digital device and they'd have to transcribe your e-mail address. It's not much work, but it's still work that someone has to make time for.

Second, it's an unusual thing to do. It's important to communicate with people through normal, comfortable communication channels where the etiquette is known. Having someone handwrite a letter and look up your mailing address is unusual. Unusual behavior triggers people's suspicions. You weren't trying to scam anyone, but you should be aware that one of the tricks used in scams is to invest unusual amounts of attention and energy into someone. It can trigger a suspicion that you're really after something else.

Your second round of sending short e-mails had neither of these problems. Easy to reply to, nothing unusual about it. It's the way to go.

Re: How to ask for help from people who don't know you

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There is plenty advice around for "how to ask" (really, it's the same if you know the person or not). It all boils down to a Calvinistic "show you're worthy" kind of exercise. But what about advice for giving help to someone? There's plenty of ways that giving someone help can go horribly wrong, and I think that it's not uncommon for people to be blindsided by such a request.

A pretty incredible answer to your question comes from a perhaps wholly unexpected source: Hunter S. Thompson, in a letter responding to a friend's request for life advice:

https://fs.blog/hunter-s-thompson-to-hume-logan/

Re: How to ask for help from people who don't know you

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post #18
post #12

I've been DM'ing randos on LinkedIn for lightweight consults and found that offering to pay up front and asking strangers to price their own time can help to show seriousness and often results in free interactions or buy-me-a-coffee pricing. e.g. "Hey I love your work on X, I've been thinking about / working on related thing Y and would love your feedback on aspect Z. How much $$ to rent your brain for 20 minutes? I'…

Maybe that's linkedin people. There are others like me: there is no such thing as 20 minutes. If I take on something, it's at least 10 hours effective. So we would just flat out refuse any such offer while on the other hand you can get those hours free if the question is sufficiently interesting.

In that case, I appreciate your comment here! Not sure it was worth 10 hours, but it was good of you to share.

Re: How to ask for help from people who don't know you

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100% in terms of people before project.

Especially when starting something yourself. It sounds obvious but it took me far too long to long to go to people actively talking about their problems and help them vs asking them for problems they are facing.

Making that switch was a big difference in terms of outreach.

Re: How to ask for help from people who don't know you

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Also remember that most people want to be helpful. You can play into that by starting with something like, "I was hoping you could help me get myself out of a little pickle." A little self deprecation combined with a compliment goes a long way, so if you're truly asking them to help you get out of a jam and they're one of the few people that can truly help you, say something like, "boy I really screwed this up and I'm not sure what the best approach would be, but I figured that someone with your expertise could get me reoriented quickly!"

Re: How to ask for help from people who don't know you

#28

This was an excellently written, salient post with some good tidbits. I've learned some of these lessons the hard way. I'll add a few. Proof of work is important, but it's not about the magnitude of energy you spend. I went through two iterations of reaching out to my college network. The first time I put so much time into handwriting notes and trying to provide my relatable background. 100 notes, not a single respon…

> I sensed once that I had irritated someone

Solid advice, (but to others reading) don’t optimize for not irritating people.

Especially your professional network. You built those relationships because you wanted to use them in the future, and the future is now… so, tap them! If they don’t like that, no big deal, no sweat, move on.

If you’re irritating multiple people constantly, then yea you’re probably doing something wrong. But if it’s one person once in a blue moon, that happens, don’t over optimize for avoiding that. You can’t make everyone happy

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