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The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

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Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

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Reminds me of the Egg Greed Graph. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HFa2bQlWcAARYNB.jpg Why is it people have such a hard time understanding that this is what we want markets to do? If there is a scarcity of some resource, the prices rise and this motivates producers to produce more and consumers to consume less, until an equilibrium is found. On net, this means that we can have more of what we want for less effort over t…

The chart is meant to show how absurd the conspiracy theory is, but it turns out it’s literally what happened this time around at least. Well they didn’t forget their greed of course, they just temporarily lost the ability to exercise it.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

#42
post #35

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I mean no. The LIBOR analogy is appropriate. Large, long-term egg supply contracts are fixed to an index and that index was manipulated. That's criminal conspiracy and price fixing, not just a liquid market. That's notably different from say the current scrum for HBM where the demand truly came as a surprise and scarce supply gets bid up. Micron's windfall is justified and natural as these things go. The egg windfall…

LIBOR didn't triple the rate. I don't doubt that they screwed around at the margins but the extreme volatility in egg prices were predominantly caused by the underlying economic factors.

What do you mean? Did you read the article? There’s so much evidence showing that it was the opposite.

Their profits shot up 3x in 2023 and 5x in 2024. They had 70%-140% profit margins. They publicly said that the end of the flu was a risk for their profits. There’s plenty of messaging recording explicit price collusion.

How is that a natural supply shortage?

The underlying economic factor is simply that monopolies or cartels will always try to manipulate prices in their favor if they can.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

#43
post #8

Things like this mainly occur in markets with little competition, killing of small business causes issues like this. Much of our grievances are caused by our high level of market concentration.

Do decentralized banking is better for business competition and market health.

But we live in a too big to fail, regulatory capture environment.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

#44
post #7

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"naked conspiracy to manipulate the price of eggs from 2022-2025. " Who was in charge during this time period?

2 consecutive pro-corruption governments

2?

2?!

I can easily think of lots of corruption of the following: Trump, Biden, Trump, Obama, W Bush, Clinton, H Bush, Reagan.

Everybody follows neoliberal economics, and enables loads of corruption for their friends, families, and allies. All of them did that.

They ALL have been corrupt. The target of who the corruption is for changes.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

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post #42
post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LIBOR didn't triple the rate. I don't doubt that they screwed around at the margins but the extreme volatility in egg prices were predominantly caused by the underlying economic factors.

What do you mean? Did you read the article? There’s so much evidence showing that it was the opposite. Their profits shot up 3x in 2023 and 5x in 2024. They had 70%-140% profit margins. They publicly said that the end of the flu was a risk for their profits. There’s plenty of messaging recording explicit price collusion. How is that a natural supply shortage? The underlying economic factor is simply that monopolies o…

Free-market libertarianism is a disease for which evidence is no cure.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

#46

We really need to bring back corporal punishment, both for petty crimes and white collar crimes. The prison sentences don't make sense for the petty crimes, and the fines don't make sense for the white collar crimes. We need to legalize public caning and the stocks.

And rotten tomato pelting would probably helpfully lower the rate of people turning their resentments into content.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

#47
post #39

We really need to bring back corporal punishment, both for petty crimes and white collar crimes. The prison sentences don't make sense for the petty crimes, and the fines don't make sense for the white collar crimes. We need to legalize public caning and the stocks.

we dont need new punishments, the system is just backwards. for things like shoplifting and vandalism it should be double or triple damages with no prison. corporate fraud, cartels, pollution, big time tax evasion has to come with 20+ year sentences and fines based on your income like a traffic violation in norway. flat fines just dont work when the criminal is rich. in general we should be a lot more strict on sexua…

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Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

#48

We really need to bring back corporal punishment, both for petty crimes and white collar crimes. The prison sentences don't make sense for the petty crimes, and the fines don't make sense for the white collar crimes. We need to legalize public caning and the stocks.

> the fines don't make sense for the white collar crimes. why do we need to jump to caning instead of increasing the fines to something more than an operating expense? in this case, if the fine was 1000x the profits instead of the other way around, the problem would be solved, right?

Executives will be more afraid of being sent to prison for criminal charges, than having someone else's money get spent on fines. We can do both - increase the fines and set a precedent of arresting executives when their company does criminal things.

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

#49
post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the fines don't make sense for the white collar crimes. why do we need to jump to caning instead of increasing the fines to something more than an operating expense? in this case, if the fine was 1000x the profits instead of the other way around, the problem would be solved, right?

Executives will be more afraid of being sent to prison for criminal charges, than having someone else's money get spent on fines. We can do both - increase the fines and set a precedent of arresting executives when their company does criminal things.

sure, prison time for some criminal stuff is cool too.

i am more pushing back against the call for corporal punishment like caning

Re: The Egg Bandits Made a Thousand Times the Fine They Just Paid for Price Fixing

#50
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

we dont need new punishments, the system is just backwards. for things like shoplifting and vandalism it should be double or triple damages with no prison. corporate fraud, cartels, pollution, big time tax evasion has to come with 20+ year sentences and fines based on your income like a traffic violation in norway. flat fines just dont work when the criminal is rich. in general we should be a lot more strict on sexua…

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They get to pick the sentencing they are aiming for, and that can depend on race.
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