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Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would also like to see local PCB manufacturers - pcbway etc like. Modern production facilities might even be locally competitive given the amount of automation that can be had.

Does AISLER[1] do the same thing as pcbway? They seem to be based in Germany/EU [1] https://aisler.net/en

Looks good - will have to give them a go!

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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EDIT: Apparently it's a different plant.

It's not just Infineon - it's called the European Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (ESMC) and is a joint venture by TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP, with TSMC being the majority (70%) shareholder.

I've met one of the engineers designing the piping for that plant. Hardest project to date for him and mainly because TSMC was setting the pace.

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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My understanding is that these are pretty low-tech chips only for industrial uses?

“Only for industrial uses” is kind of a crazy thing to say when you say it out loud, don’t you think? You might as well say “only for having real-world impact”.

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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post #22

EDIT: Apparently it's a different plant. It's not just Infineon - it's called the European Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (ESMC) and is a joint venture by TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP, with TSMC being the majority (70%) shareholder. I've met one of the engineers designing the piping for that plant. Hardest project to date for him and mainly because TSMC was setting the pace.

Isn't that TSMC joint venture another plant that will open next year?

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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post #22

EDIT: Apparently it's a different plant. It's not just Infineon - it's called the European Semiconductor Manufacturing Company (ESMC) and is a joint venture by TSMC, Bosch, Infineon, and NXP, with TSMC being the majority (70%) shareholder. I've met one of the engineers designing the piping for that plant. Hardest project to date for him and mainly because TSMC was setting the pace.

These are different plants, that are situated in the same quarter.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1191197175 vs. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/583767292

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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> The plant will produce chips for intelligent power management > The company ... sought to capitalise on the massive AI investment boom These chips are probably very useful and important, but I don't see what they have to do with AI. Does everything need to have the word AI these days?

I think this fab was already in construction before the AI hype, this is just marketing.

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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My understanding is that these are pretty low-tech chips only for industrial uses?

Germany doesn't design high end SoCs or x86 processors so why would they build a fab for them?

It's not just high end CPUs that use the latest processes. Power, Performance and Area is important to all chips, including microcontrollers, FPGA, etc.

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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Funny that the article didn't mention it. Infineon got €1bn of tax payer money to open the plant (~$1.1bn).

There are worse ways to spend tax payers money.

Let's see the state of this project in 5 years. Experience tends to show European projects dragging forever and then suddenly closing whilst funds mysteriously move into semi public companies with boards full to the brim with retired political figures

Re: Germany’s Infineon opens major chip plant as EU seeks tech autonomy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are worse ways to spend tax payers money.

Let's see the state of this project in 5 years. Experience tends to show European projects dragging forever and then suddenly closing whilst funds mysteriously move into semi public companies with boards full to the brim with retired political figures

Still better odds of success than if that money was used to pay welfare for unskilled migrants instead.
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