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AI fake news complaining about how AI fake news is the death of real news

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Re: AI fake news complaining about how AI fake news is the death of real news

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I constantly wonder what is the societal benefits of AI It’s really hard to build a coherent pro-AI argument

I find it to be a useful tool for summarizing things, creating examples, and as a tutor for explaining a topic using analogies. Plus it can generate and iterate on code snippets. Like, I personally find python pandas documentation unusable because they don't come with examples next to the function definition. (historically at least, maybe they have changed) So I was left flailing, trying to cobble something together…

Societal use. Cigarettes were cool too.

Re: AI fake news complaining about how AI fake news is the death of real news

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You can at the local level. I thought this piece was realistic and hopeful: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/2026/06/ai-open-ai-anthrop... I can't control how the world uses AI, but my family and friends have been using it to start new businesses, finally resolve some long-term medical mysteries, and plan trips they wouldn't have otherwise.

finally resolve some long-term medical mysteries It's called "go to a doctor".

Easier said than done. Not easy to access or pay for specialists in the US and they don't always communicate with each other well to coordinate care, especially for non life-threatening issues.

I live in an area with three world-class hospitals, still had to wait 16 months to follow-up with a hematologist about bloodwork.

If we aren't going to fix overregulation, undersupply, and insurance, AI is the best the bottom 80% can do for a lot of medical queries too complex for the time and attention they are allotted with the doctor. I see that as a positive.

Re: AI fake news complaining about how AI fake news is the death of real news

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The death of real news, at least in the United States, was money and venture capital. AI is just one thing attempting to fill the gap. There hasn't been real news in America for a decade or more. It happened well before AI was on the scene. To me, there is no difference between AI fake news, podcasts as news, influencers "informing", or celebrity talking heads streaming commentary about current events. Its all garbag…

Money is a broad term, and can mean quite a few things. VC money had little to do, and the changes were already at play before VC was even invented.

Changes in the media environment began with radio, the reduction of funding, the decision of some media channels to move away from factual reporting, and then the internet.

Verification is expensive, and the death of local news and consolidation of news, has been eroding the ability of the market place of ideas to have ideas compete fairly.

Once the internet came out, the end of classifieds was the death knell for most journalism. Even today the NYT manages stays afloat because of its games, not because people pay for journalism.

Sadly, it is even cheaper to report on things when you don’t care about accuracy

I remember how environmental science was eviscerated on Fox, and the amazing “teach the controversy” angle of attack against evolution, to push forward creationism and intelligent design.

I highly recommend Network Propaganda by Yochai Benkler and co. Not only do they provide a history of how the American media environment changed, but they also gather and analyze data on how social media use and media consumption intersect.

Re: AI fake news complaining about how AI fake news is the death of real news

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I constantly wonder what is the societal benefits of AI It’s really hard to build a coherent pro-AI argument

I think if I had to find any defence for AI, it's that it provides an efficient way to create things that don't matter, but which society desperately tries to pretend are important somehow.

Meaningless corporate presentations, most documents used for hiring and job searching, content on business sites that probably doesn't need to be there, etc. AI at least speeds that up given society's reluctance to get rid of it altogether.

I guess it can also be used to speed up rote work that doesn't really feel engaging but needs to be anyway, or as a Google equivalent for people that don't know the terminology needed to find information about a topic.

But at the end of the day, AI is basically the very definition of the lowest common denominator. Or maybe the most average one.

So, if you're not particularly interested in something, know nothing about how it works or have no talent for it whatsoever, AI is almost like magic. If you do know how it works, then it's often laughably bad.

Re: AI fake news complaining about how AI fake news is the death of real news

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I constantly wonder what is the societal benefits of AI It’s really hard to build a coherent pro-AI argument

We have a demographic collapse looming in the horizon in most developed countries. If we find a way to use 1 human instead of 2 to produce the same amount of intellectual work in 10-20 years as we do today, that's a huge societal benefit.

Re: AI fake news complaining about how AI fake news is the death of real news

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“drunk driving kills a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people get to work on time, so it’s impossible to say whether it’s bad or not”

> “drunk driving kills a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people get to work on time, so it’s impossible to say whether it’s bad or not” No, no that doesn't work. Nobody thinks that. "Drunk people who do it think that!" You framed your comment as a 3rd party, not the idiot driving drunk, the above 'argument' doesn't hold water.

> No, no that doesn't work. Nobody thinks that.

Yeah, obviously. It was a sarcastic reply to a nonsense argument of “there are no bad things only bad people”

Re: AI fake news complaining about how AI fake news is the death of real news

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> “drunk driving kills a lot of people, but it also helps a lot of people get to work on time, so it’s impossible to say whether it’s bad or not” No, no that doesn't work. Nobody thinks that. "Drunk people who do it think that!" You framed your comment as a 3rd party, not the idiot driving drunk, the above 'argument' doesn't hold water.

> No, no that doesn't work. Nobody thinks that. Yeah, obviously. It was a sarcastic reply to a nonsense argument of “there are no bad things only bad people”

I didn't say that either. Strawmanning isn't very nice. Have a good day!

Re: AI fake news complaining about how AI fake news is the death of real news

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finally resolve some long-term medical mysteries It's called "go to a doctor".

Easier said than done. Not easy to access or pay for specialists in the US and they don't always communicate with each other well to coordinate care, especially for non life-threatening issues. I live in an area with three world-class hospitals, still had to wait 16 months to follow-up with a hematologist about bloodwork. If we aren't going to fix overregulation, undersupply, and insurance, AI is the best the bottom…

How can the AI solve a medical mystery?

I suppose if it says something like "Eat more broccoli" and the suggestion works you can assume the answer is accurate.

But for me it's more likely to say "maybe you have xxxx" and I would still need to see a specialist to do tests like colonoscopies to know?

I suffer from one condition with no cure and little literature and every once in a while I've seen on a related subreddit I no longer read "I'm using AI you guys and this AI SLOP will surely help!!!"

Re: AI fake news complaining about how AI fake news is the death of real news

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> No, no that doesn't work. Nobody thinks that. Yeah, obviously. It was a sarcastic reply to a nonsense argument of “there are no bad things only bad people”

I didn't say that either. Strawmanning isn't very nice. Have a good day!

> This AI stuff is neither good or bad, it is a tool. The people using it are either good or bad.

You quite literally did??

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