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So you agree your comment provides no value to the conversation here except a kind of "check your privileges - shut down the conversation I am greater than thou perspective". I am asking you what value are you trying to bring here to the thread with this comment? Does one have to have a qualifier statement "I have certain privileges ascribed to my life" and now make a comment? Should I be adding qualifying statements…
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And? I value this as a forum where people can speak plainly and transparently (mostly).
They happen relatively frequently and there are a number of things about them that feel distasteful:
- The authors are in the literal 1%, so for the 99% of us who are doing far worse it feels a bit like a tiny violin exercise.
“Sorry you worked for an unethical company, my company is unethical, too, and I can’t quit over morals or else my family won’t eat.
- Being in the 1% affords many of these individuals more options in life to work for ethical employees or pursue noble causes, and articles like this one makes you question why they just woke up to the reality they were benefitting from for so long. It seems like everyone on the outside has known about those moral quandaries for a while.
- The people who quit Google are one of 100,000 employees, which dilutes the value of hearing an individual story from someone who is leaving the company.
> When Google offered me the job of Director of Android Platform Security in 2017, it was impossible to refuse. Yes, Trump was already president—my family and I had qualms—but he seemed contained, even ineffective. Why make this about trump and politics. It’s just a job.
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What the hell. We are talking about ads on the computer.
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yeah, looks like some history rewriting. 9 years ago was 2017-- and by that time Google was already doing sleazy SEO shit, scanning peoples emails to who them ads, trying to make ads seem like general search results etc etc Google was *exactly* this company it is today
That’s quite a bit different from helping to kill people. Let’s not lump every ethical issue into one. And not conflate SEO sleaze with aiding murder.
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I can't imagine ignoring personal ethics in career decisions. I also find it troubling when personal ethics are inaccurately dismissed as "identity politics". Supporting carbon-neutrality and rejecting military applications are clearly matters of personal ethics.
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I can't imagine ignoring personal ethics in career decisions. I also find it troubling when personal ethics are inaccurately dismissed as "identity politics". Supporting carbon-neutrality and rejecting military applications are clearly matters of personal ethics.
For example I know people in mining who 1. Work on safety for people in mines. 2. Work on reducing environmental impact. But many of their friends say “I could never work for mining”. And what I hear is “I don’t want that brand”.
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So you agree your comment provides no value to the conversation here except a kind of "check your privileges - shut down the conversation I am greater than thou perspective". I am asking you what value are you trying to bring here to the thread with this comment? Does one have to have a qualifier statement "I have certain privileges ascribed to my life" and now make a comment? Should I be adding qualifying statements…
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I assume (maybe incorrectly) that you are just reacting without thinking about the deeper level of what you are trying to express.
I came to Google via acquisition end of 2011 and left end of 2021. Google bought my employer so it could further cement its display ads monopoly. They never had a moral compass, they just wore one in a costume so that nobody would dig too closely into their business practices. We got to wave pitchforks and ask tough questions at TGIF for a while, and march in pride parades under a Google banner, and get fed nice trea…
Is it really not possible? Lots of corps are controlled by one or two people. They can decide what the company espouses, no?
Why post a Google docs copy of the original article? https://www.mayrhofer.eu.org/post/leaving-google/
The blog post is from June 19th. Google Doc from June 17th. My guess? He shared the Google Doc link with his peers, but forgot that Google Docs links are public for anyone who knows the link, so someone just forwarded it to oblivion, and he was forced to publish that as blog post. The addendums kind of reflect that. That's a great reminded that any Google Doc with a shareable link is basically a public document for a…
There is also a great reminder next to the button you click to get a shareable link in Google Docs.