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Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by kelnos »

NoboruWataya wrote: post #27

I am only a casual Clause (Pro) user and I am confused by the messaging, maybe I'm missing something obvious. > Until July 7, you can use up to 50% of your plan's weekly usage limit on Fable 5. Does this mean that being able to use Fable on my subscription is a time-limited promotion? I have a subscription, why can't I just... use the model? Is it the case that going forward a subscription will only give you access t…

Yes, it's the classic "first hit's free" marketing plan: offer Fable "free" to subscription users for a while, and then pull the plug, hoping they'll be hooked and want to spend even more money to use it.

This is why I'm not using Fable at all unless they decide to make it permanently a part of the subscription plans. I don't want to be tempted to burn more cash than I already am.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by espeed »

cranium wrote: post #346

With this Fable release my goodwill for Anthropic went down. "Generous and exciting" were my thoughts when I bought the $100, then upgraded to the $200 sub last year. Now I get big FOMO because I won't be able to pay for Fable once off the sub, and I got the global limit reset at the same time as my weekly reset (Codex coupon for limit reset feels way better btw). The all-you-can-eat buffet put the nice items into a…

Fable worked great on credits yesterday. Upgraded to 20x Max last night, but not the same performance. And it keeps downgrading to Opus 4.8.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by mtsolitary »

merlindru wrote: post #361
hx8 wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Codex is more generous with their subscribers because they are second place, and have to climb the reputation ladder. I suspect if OpenAI was in Anthropic's market position they too would have tighter sub limits, gate-keep where their oauth tokens can be used tighter, and play games that move users towards per-token spend.

i think its a combination of these: - OAIs models are much more token efficient. in some cases their new mythos-level model uses 1/4th of the tokens that mythos does. - they reportedly have recently found another way to decrease compute needed "by half" in a breakthrough - early on, they ensured they have much more compute ready, whereas Anthropic had to disable new users signing up because they ran out of compute -…

Link to source for the breakthrough in inference compute? Are you talking about prefill?

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by latentsea »

8note wrote: post #357
latentsea wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am saying 3 years ago there wasn't a snowballs chance in hell I could one shot a playable Minecraft clone, and there has never been a snowballs chance in hell a human developer could do so in 45 minutes. The difficulty of the task and human performance on that task hasn't changed. LLMs performance on that task has changed dramatically.

it could almost certainly regurgitate something like minetest its in the training data, probably many times, and it was then, too

And that's exactly why 3 years ago we saw people one shotting it in 45 minutes :)

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by jbverschoor »

espeed wrote: post #372
cranium wrote: post #346

With this Fable release my goodwill for Anthropic went down. "Generous and exciting" were my thoughts when I bought the $100, then upgraded to the $200 sub last year. Now I get big FOMO because I won't be able to pay for Fable once off the sub, and I got the global limit reset at the same time as my weekly reset (Codex coupon for limit reset feels way better btw). The all-you-can-eat buffet put the nice items into a…

Fable worked great on credits yesterday. Upgraded to 20x Max last night, but not the same performance. And it keeps downgrading to Opus 4.8.

How do you show/prove it’s downgrading

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by espeed »

jbverschoor wrote: post #375
espeed wrote: post #372

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fable worked great on credits yesterday. Upgraded to 20x Max last night, but not the same performance. And it keeps downgrading to Opus 4.8.

How do you show/prove it’s downgrading

Use /model in Claude Code to see your current model and switch models. Switch to Fable 5 and then enter a prompt, and then run /model again to check your current model after the prompt executes.

Last night after almost every prompt it says...

  Fable 5's safeguards flagged this message. The safeguards are intentionally broad right now and may flag safe and routine coding, cybersecurity, or biology work. These measures let us bring you Mythos-level capabilities sooner, and we're working to refine them. Switched to Opus 4.8. Send feedback with /feedback or learn more

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by matheusmoreira »

SubiculumCode wrote: post #319
matheusmoreira wrote: post #242

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No. The "good guys" are the ones who provide permanent value: open weight models, hardware we can afford, purchase and own. The good guys offer sovereignty . The "you'll buy intelligence from us on a meter" rent seekers are technofeudalists. Just a bunch of "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" oligarchs who must be resisted at all costs. Anthropic had a reputation for ethics at first but it quickly became clear i…

So... it IS China, not just companies in China. And why would the CCP want to give out open weights, hmm? Because they are all kindness and love? No. It is just their approach to counter dominance in the space by Western frontier labs. No need to make moral attributions..it is everything, and I mean everything, about Great Power Competition.

Their self serving reasons are irrelevant. The results can be moral even if the players aren't. The key is to somehow prevent any one of them from dominating completely so we can play them off one another and keep reaping the rewards. If China's undermining efforts achieves that, so be it. The fact we're getting permanent access to powerful models as a result is nothing short of awesome.

In order for us to win, neither China nor the US can win. The ideal situation is the one where they exhaust themselves trying while we benefit by picking up the pieces.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by matheusmoreira »

applicative wrote: post #317
matheusmoreira wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The "good guys" are the ones who provide permanent value: open weight models, hardware we can afford, purchase and own. The good guys offer sovereignty . The "you'll buy intelligence from us on a meter" rent seekers are technofeudalists. Just a bunch of "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" oligarchs who must be resisted at all costs. Anthropic had a reputation for ethics at first but it quickly became clear i…

The purpose is the destabilization and discrediting of democracy. The Beijing state, in concert with Putin and ex-Khamenei, has no other purpose but to prove there is no democratic alternative. Sure, it turns out you get free things as e.g. one got free RT America.

> destabilization and discrediting of democracy

Democracies don't need any help whatsoever in that area, they're more than happy to do that to themselves on a daily basis.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by matheusmoreira »

applicative wrote: post #316
matheusmoreira wrote: post #257

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Whichever firm is distilling the frontier models and releasing the weights is doing god's work. I'll forever thank them for that.

They're great but in fact it is state financed economic war against the democratic world.

The democratic world that wants to price me out of computers? Lock me out with remote attestation? Put me in a permanent underclass where I'm forced to rent computers and inference from the owner class instead of operating my own systems? A world so democratic it's degenerating into technofeudalism? Where you'll own nothing and you'll be happy?

China's not looking too bad.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by matheusmoreira »

senordevnyc wrote: post #331
replwoacause wrote: post #306

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Yeah this is wild stuff. Seeing Anthropic free fall after building up such good will is shocking.

Free fall? None of this recent Mythos / Fable drama is going to even slow Anthropic down. The HN bubble strikes again.

It's certainly not going to affect their valuation, but their reputation as the "ethical" AI company is gone.
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