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Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by merlindru »

hx8 wrote: post #348
cranium wrote: post #346

With this Fable release my goodwill for Anthropic went down. "Generous and exciting" were my thoughts when I bought the $100, then upgraded to the $200 sub last year. Now I get big FOMO because I won't be able to pay for Fable once off the sub, and I got the global limit reset at the same time as my weekly reset (Codex coupon for limit reset feels way better btw). The all-you-can-eat buffet put the nice items into a…

Codex is more generous with their subscribers because they are second place, and have to climb the reputation ladder. I suspect if OpenAI was in Anthropic's market position they too would have tighter sub limits, gate-keep where their oauth tokens can be used tighter, and play games that move users towards per-token spend.

i think its a combination of these:

- OAIs models are much more token efficient. in some cases their new mythos-level model uses 1/4th of the tokens that mythos does.

- they reportedly have recently found another way to decrease compute needed "by half" in a breakthrough

- early on, they ensured they have much more compute ready, whereas Anthropic had to disable new users signing up because they ran out of compute

- OAI has fewer users (5mln codex users vs, what, 10mln claude code users?)

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by gpt5 »

hx8 wrote: post #348
cranium wrote: post #346

With this Fable release my goodwill for Anthropic went down. "Generous and exciting" were my thoughts when I bought the $100, then upgraded to the $200 sub last year. Now I get big FOMO because I won't be able to pay for Fable once off the sub, and I got the global limit reset at the same time as my weekly reset (Codex coupon for limit reset feels way better btw). The all-you-can-eat buffet put the nice items into a…

Codex is more generous with their subscribers because they are second place, and have to climb the reputation ladder. I suspect if OpenAI was in Anthropic's market position they too would have tighter sub limits, gate-keep where their oauth tokens can be used tighter, and play games that move users towards per-token spend.

Competition is good.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

Melatonic wrote: post #268
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm having it review a project Opus 4.8 created. No security review, just "look for general issues, performance problems, missing features, etc." It spawned about twenty background tasks. It's still going, but so far, one has completed, and four have failed with guardrail messages. Nothing special, just stuff like reviewing the API: Fable 5's safeguards flagged this message ( https://www.anthropic.com/legal/aup ). Th…

Do you have to pay for the tokens used for the safeguard flagged stuff?

Yes.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by InsideOutSanta »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #94
maldev wrote: post #86

It won't even review a cyber security blog post I wrote. Absolutely worthless and pitiful guardrails.

I'm having it review a project Opus 4.8 created. No security review, just "look for general issues, performance problems, missing features, etc." It spawned about twenty background tasks. It's still going, but so far, one has completed, and four have failed with guardrail messages. Nothing special, just stuff like reviewing the API: Fable 5's safeguards flagged this message ( https://www.anthropic.com/legal/aup ). Th…

Updated: Yesterday, I started three "look for general issues, performance problems, missing features, etc." threads, each of which spawned a number of background tasks that partially failed. Today, all three threads have stopped with the message

"Fable 5's safeguards flagged this message (https://www.anthropic.com/legal/aup). This sometimes happens with safe, normal conversations. Claude Code can't respond to this request with Fable 5."

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by Frannky »

I can use it but I'm not. I used it before the ban, it's better but the speed at which tokens are burned is not justified. And this makes me happy because it means I am ok with current capabilities that will soon be matched by open-source models. Open-source harness, open models, and soon self-hosted and private with models burned directly onto chips (like Talaas is doing).

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by sscaryterry »

hx8 wrote: post #348
cranium wrote: post #346

With this Fable release my goodwill for Anthropic went down. "Generous and exciting" were my thoughts when I bought the $100, then upgraded to the $200 sub last year. Now I get big FOMO because I won't be able to pay for Fable once off the sub, and I got the global limit reset at the same time as my weekly reset (Codex coupon for limit reset feels way better btw). The all-you-can-eat buffet put the nice items into a…

Codex is more generous with their subscribers because they are second place, and have to climb the reputation ladder. I suspect if OpenAI was in Anthropic's market position they too would have tighter sub limits, gate-keep where their oauth tokens can be used tighter, and play games that move users towards per-token spend.

Soon enough the tables will turn again, anthropic will be begging people to come back.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by sscaryterry »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #260
himata4113 wrote: post #194

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

Mythos somehow leaking and becoming usable by all humanity in a self-hosted manner would probably be the optimal long term outcome.

It honestly is shit, I tried 2 simple prompts, both times got blocked within 2 minutes.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by pheggs »

solenoid0937 wrote: post #283
olcarl75 wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how does GLM-5.2 fare against fable/opus 4.8? I am thinking about moving my 5x subscription either towards the GPT equivalent or the GLM one (I heard GLM gives you 20x the token usage for the same price of anthropics 5x)

GLM is Sonnet 5 level, maybe slightly below. Probably Opus 4.5 level if you want an Opus comparison. It's a good model that gets things done but it's just not comparable to Opus and a very very far cry from Fable. It does poorly with long horizon or very complex agentic tasks, but it's great and even cheaper than Sonnet for quick sessions.

I dont buy that, mainly because in blind tests where people dont know which model was used and choose a result, this does not seem to hold true

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by PeterStuer »

So a model named 'Fable 5' is "back". Both excited, as the previous Fable 5 I had access to for just 3 days was fantastic, and anxious as (yes, in my 1 person anecdote) the model refered to as 'Opus 4.8' was stealth nerfed over the last 2 weeks to a degree I had not experienced since the massive nerfs back in the GPT-3.x days. Fingers crossed.

Re: Fable 5 is Back

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Post by PeterStuer »

himata4113 wrote: post #194

I think this is as good as time as any to bring up that fable/mythos weights are one mistake (malicious or not) away from being leaked to adverseries or available in a random torrent. Imagine this, fable weights are likely distributed to hundreds of datacenters with likely thousands of people directly or indirectly having partial or full access. I just don't quite buy that a 'world ending' fable/mythos model would be…

Remember the Clipper Chip back in 1993 because personal computing was considered too dangerous a technologie to be accesible un-controlled/suprvised to the general public?
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