I feel like this kind of tech can solve the news problem. So many paywalls. Imagine they don’t exist and your impression costs a few cents. I’d prefer this to massive lawyer grade cookie popup wizards and monthly memberships. My MiL is a writer at a large newspaper in Kentucky and it’s wild how much she is pressured to share her stories and gain sign ups from her referral links. Pay per view solves this.
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#192With payments the complexity is not only in accepting a payment, but largely in doing so legally. Someone makes a request to my company's paid service, I return 402 and get a stable coin back. Who do I invoice for this revenue? What value added tax do I apply to the invoice? If someone makes 10k paid requests within one month, do I have means of generating one invoice for them for all the usage, or is every request t…
Feels like a good way to do money laundering lol
It is
You’re 10 years late
x402 not required just segregated addresses acting as individual market participants paying for your service
if you ever want your state’s currency (which is a big IF in the crypto world), then you use your segregated address to pump the price of a token that your clean and KYC’d addresses hold, sell into liquidity for a more liquid crypto, sell that crypto on an exchange. you look like a good or lucky trader like anyone else. cash out, pay taxes if your country taxes capital. access to the rest of the system
although the online merchant service is accepting payment from addresses linked to dirty money along side some others, and it may seem redundant to bother instead of just pumping assets with the dirty money address, it’s just possible deniability. Far more plausible than predominantly dirty addresses pumping a token you just happen to hold. Even if the dirty money had all swapped to monero and out to fund virgin addresses it still needs a genealogy before benefitting you in the KYC’d world. So insert the crypto merchant service in between regardless.
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#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
Presumably, nobody would offer the 10c per page unless they were making more than the $20 / month or whatever previously. So people will be paying more. Then add all the sites that currently just get what they can with advertising, and now they can become pay-per-view.
The $20/month model is exclusionary as you are excluding people who are not interested in regularly reading a single newspaper. Pay-per-page is more reasonable. I have rarely paid for news subscription (partly because I find news here which comes from many sources). Obviously, I am not going to pay hundreds in subscriptions, so I am essentially paying $0. With this, I can see myself paying $20-30/month (less than my…
Random writer/journalists outside the mega-news-corps sometimes have a page for donations. You could donate to one once per month if you want to get rid of your $20-30.
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#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
Do you have any plans on mitigating the privacy consequences of microtransactions? I'm fine with paying for (some) content, but I'd prefer if there weren't some companies using that information to manipulate me or the more impressionable members of our society.
We plan to make it easy for both buyers and sellers to rotate addresses. Done right, everything should be pseudonymous to the outside world. (Full privacy is a harder problem to solve, but address rotation is a good 80/20 solution for now)
IMHO this is only interesting if it _truely_ breaks a KYC path. Otherwise; who cares?
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#195This doesn't seem to solve the issue that website operators face... which is providing a free public experience to humans while the price of hosting is driven up by increased bot traffic. The issue isn't charging for API access with request caps, that's not hard to do. It's preserving the free experience for our users while our traffic is increasingly made up of bots. The problem is that AI has made it increasingly d…
Options: 1. Any cost of browsing an e-commerce site is taken off the next purchase, whenever it happens. 2. Give each user 100 free page viewed per day or some such before you charge. 3. You don’t actually have to charge users for browsing the site if you provide a free or cheap API allowing bots to search and index your entire catalog. Agents and bots would certainly rather parse a kilobyte of JSON than 20 megabytes…
lol, no!
Having written bots several times, any kind of friction or payment on the json api would make me just use the free html "API" it's just easier.
I have many times used a webpage as api instead of the actual api because using the actual api required doing paperwork, like writing business cases, filling out approval forms, creating accounts, paying, etc...
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#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes! I’m a PM on the team that is building this. We want this to work equally well for human payments or agent payments. Low friction micropayments are the problem to solve, but once solved, it can work for either segment. Feel free to email me at (my username)@(my company) with ideas or suggestions here!
Never going to happen, and what you're building is worse than any net neutrality fears we had in the past. Except instead of Comcast we now need to fight against Cloudflare
Why is it worse? This seems like a good alternative to large monthly fees, where you can pay per use.
5c to read an article? Sure. $20/month subscription? No way.
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#197Earlier quoted context omitted.
Normal vending machine transactions are B2C transactions, so the buyer cannot be a company - cannot pay with company money and cannot deduce the payment as the company cost. I guess, the buyer can take a receipt from a vending machine and ask the vending machine owner to provide a B2B invoice based on the receipt, to make this a proper B2B payment. Can you treat your remote service access as B2C only? Perhaps yes, bu…
If I pay for vending machine by corporate card on a business trip, it looks more like B2B
It is
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#198Hey all, I’m a product manager on the team at Cloudflare that is building this. Happy to answer any questions! You can also email me at (my username)@(my company)
any possibility of hooking up native crypto to this? e.g. zk-rollups/sidechains, Lightning Network, etc?
Nostr zaps?
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#199Earlier quoted context omitted.
They have to get almost 200 more conversions to make up for the single subscriber. Given a lot of these services offer $1 entry subscriptions and people still bounce it's unlikely you'll have a mass market excited to pay $0.10 everytime they want to read an article to make up for the person paying $20 to read a handful everyday. Microtransactions have existed in a bunch of forms over the past 20 years and always fail…
A $1 entry subscription where you have to type your name and credit card and submit and wait and now you have a relationship to manage, is infinitely more expensive than a 10 cent, automatic, non-recurring, one-time, no cancelation needed, pseudonomous, microtransaction.
> pseudonomous
Which isn't private. Wallet ID 123 buys a 10c article from Leftist Newspaper A and one from Leftist Newspaper B. Leftist Newspaper A and B, being businesses, sell the information that Wallet ID 123 purchased an article to Data Broker A. Data Broker A correlates all purchases Wallet ID 123 has ever made and with a high degree of accuracy identifies who they are and their political affliation. Data Broker A sells this profile to anyone who asks for it, including far right governments who might be interested in throwing people out of helicopters based on their political affiliation. Unless you use Monero, this will happen, and Monero will obviously not be used.
Yes, 90% of people are careless and already give away this information right now. But you're suggesting closing the door on the rest who care to be able to protect themselves while still being able to use the internet, and cementing that nobody will ever have privacy for the rest of their lives, when we should be making an effort to make it harder to identify people, not easier.
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#200Earlier quoted context omitted.
A $1 entry subscription where you have to type your name and credit card and submit and wait and now you have a relationship to manage, is infinitely more expensive than a 10 cent, automatic, non-recurring, one-time, no cancelation needed, pseudonomous, microtransaction.
> pseudonomous Which isn't private. Wallet ID 123 buys a 10c article from Leftist Newspaper A and one from Leftist Newspaper B. Leftist Newspaper A and B, being businesses, sell the information that Wallet ID 123 purchased an article to Data Broker A. Data Broker A correlates all purchases Wallet ID 123 has ever made and with a high degree of accuracy identifies who they are and their political affliation. Data Broke…
Perhaps some kind of mixer could be put in front of the micropayments system.